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I don't mean to speak for Scott, he's a big boy and can speak for himself BUT......

If I interpret what he's saying correctly.....He agrees that not everywhere holds monster bucks. He agrees that location is important. I THINK what he's trying to say is, if you don't like the location you have, or if where you're at isn't producing, go find a better one. Do the homework and the legwork and find someplace better instead of sitting on the couch sucking your proverbial thumb and wimpering.


disclaimer: the use of the words "you" and "your" is generic, and not intended for anyone specifically. The thumb sucking remark was used as humor.

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Yup, see it's simple, change LOCATION! I'm doing this as well. I'm headed to IL, better location.

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"If" "You're" wimpering and sucking your thumb......and complaining about your location........I agree. If you're stating a fact.....the same applies to the other party.

disclaimer: the use of the words "you" and "your" and "other party" is generic, and not intended for anyone specifically. The thumb sucking remark was used as humor.

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I always change my stand location to try and be one up on my competition. So even the guys who havea great location have to change locations.;)


Well put Jeff and Atlasman.

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I hated this line then.. and still hate it today. I can take you to lots of areas in Illinois where a 4.5 doesn't gross the P&Y minimum. Some don't even gross 115". And I'm positively sure the same holds true in MANY of the other big buck states.

Personally I don't look at inches.. that's called vanity. When a whitetail reaches 3 or 4+ yrs. of age he's now in a different class and experience. He's "smarter" so to speak. Whether he has 50" of antler or 150" of antler he is still a mature whitetail and I will never dismiss a whitetail taken by any hunter of this caliber.

Inches do not make experience and brilliance. Age is the ultimate judge.

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So Scott, you'd be willing to share your spots with the guys that are complaining about location so they can't complain any more, right?;)

I hear what you're saying. Hunt hard, scout hard, find where the big boys are hiding and get in there. If they aren't where you are looking, look somewhere else. If I lose my car keys I'm not going to stay in the kitchen looking for them if I've looked all through there. I'll look to other areas where they might be.

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Gentlemen.....THAT is gospel!;)

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This whole thread is funny to me.

So now I will start a thread about the very topic I don't ever want to hear about again. Right.....that makes sense, I'm assuming the winking smiley at the end of that post means you are fully aware of the contradiction.

But since it was brought up I have to say I love the first three paragraphs in Atlas' quote, sums it up. I would agree thatif someone were constantly complaining about their land/location all the time and they were doing nothing to better it then they are lazy and making excuses. That being said that is not whatI usually see on here, people talk about "mature deer" all the time on here but what everyone pays attention to when it comes down to it is antler size when in reality a 4.5 yr old deer is a 4.5 yr old deer regardless of where it istaken or what it is toting on hishead. But noone is gonna be asking the guy killing the4.5 yr old "dink" how he did it.;)

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RESPECT!

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x3

Great post Duke.

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[blockquote]quote:

Personally I don't look at inches.. that's called vanity. When a whitetail reaches 3 or 4+ yrs. of age he's now in a different class and experience. He's "smarter" so to speak. Whether he has 50" of antler or 150" of antler he is still a mature whitetail and I will never dismiss a whitetail taken by any hunter of this caliber.

Inches do not make experience and brilliance. Age is the ultimate judge. [/blockquote]
This sums up how we should all view deer hunting - I have a couple of 100inchers on the wall that are 4.5 -

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For the record this thread has nothing to do with antler size, it's about location
This thread is correct and a good one

Nor does Atlasman's thread, even though I agree with it;) This thread is about not whining about where one hunts, that is it[8D]
Buckeye's point has been made, some just don't know it.

As soon as location is brought up, "Inches" is brought up. So we can all talk about "vanity" vs "mature", but that all it is, talk. Where the metal meets the road is when it really happens.
Anybody going to shoot a 150'' 8 year old deer, if a 5 year old 180 is standing right next to it;)

We have similar isssue here in MI, everybody is worried about what everybody else is doing. Makes people "justify" what they are doing, and excuses for what they are not. Good lord, LOL

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Changing locations is one of several ways to improve your hunting. Doing so without complaint is a fine attribute.

Diminishing anothers achievement by saying "it's a numbers game" or "almost anyone could do that if they hunted there" is pure, speculative BS.

Why even say it? Congradulate the guy and concentrate on your own affairs. The only reason I can think of for someone saying, "Yeah, that's a big buck, but look where he hunt's", is to make themselves feel better. I find that to be a poor attribute and insulting. Who really cares? If you want to shoot bigger bucks, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, without diminishing anothers accomplishment. Congradulate the guy.

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Too bad Atlasman cannot continue to contribute and can only be quoted now.

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Yes my day would have went way faster:)

Hey you need the

Bring Back Atlasman in your sig;)

BTW nice chicken:D

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LOL That's "Scar" and he is somethin' else. He doesn't have his sharp spurs (he's less thana year old), yet, luckily for my wife and daughter. He tries to spur them all the time and he is fast. He used to try and spur me but now we have an "understanding" and he avoids me.

He's great with then hens though. A very good protector.

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I made the decision to give up my "sure thing" rifle spot to get an opertunity to shoot a mature buck. I killed a buck in this spot every season for many years. Every deer was 1 1/2 years old except one that was 2 1/2. I did the same with my bow hunting. The results: In the last 10 years I have killed 10 deer that were 3 1/2 and older. I also passed up a lot of 3 1/2's.
The bottom line is: If your not happy with your location eithor you can whine or you can do something about it. AND NOBODY WANTS TO LISTEN TO A WHINER!

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I disagree with those who do these things, too, Greg.

But it's not diminishing one's accomplishments to say....."If you wanna see some hot women.....you're more likely to do that at the Gold Club than you are at weight watchers".;)

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True, but with a little work weight watchers babes can compete:D You made a great point, I just don't think you know you did Jeff;)
Will use me
At 5' 8'' with a pointing head, I am not getting a hot babe at the gold club;) But at weight watcher it's easy pickens[8D]

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I agree with Greg, so many people say " if I hunted where you hunt I could shoot big ones too." Then you ask them why they don't hunt there they come up with a ton of excuses. Have you ever heard of the term "sour grapes"?
Also many people DO hunt in those prime areas and still don't score. Just because you show up at the Gold Club (whatever that is) dosen't mean your going to score.

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Agreed.....but if you don't....it won't because there weren't plenty of opportunites.;)

I agree on the "sour grapes". I don't like that, either.

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I would never dimish what some else accomplishes with a bow and I never complain about where I hunt, I do fine with what I consider exceptional animals for my area. FOR MY AREA. I get as much if not more out of bowhunting than most.

What I frown upon is the fact that though I may have never taken a P&Y animal, someone whom does is deemed a superior hunter strictly due to antler size. "EX:" Someone will throw this question in my face: Well, how may P&Y's have you taken? blah blah blah.

That in itself leads us to the LOCATION equation.

But to stay on topic, I love my location, that's why I live where I do. I can't see ever moving although I'd love to be able to bowhunt elk every year.

Disclaimer: Same as above, in general and not meant towards anyone in particular.



And Germ, Location is hand in hand intertwined with antler size or beard lengths...;)

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Its called a non resident license! Rob is going to do it this year In Illinois. I live in a state that has P&Y and B&C whitetails but its not as rich as say Wisconsin is. For that reason I've hunted Wisconsin a half a dozen times to possibly have a chance at a record book buck. So far I haven't had any luck yet on getting a booker out there but I believe it will happen. I hunt in a good area but its pretty heavily pressured state land. I might have an in on some private land out there in the coming years. Hopefully it goes through, all the guy does is gun hunts, no bow hunters on the 300 acres his family owns. I'm also going to go out to North Dakota and give it a try out there. Your not doing anything about it sitting on your rump. Get out there and do some out of state hunting, I do and I have these same caliber bucks 500 yards behind my place in the river bottoms. Just not as many as some states.

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So your calling it?? P&Y??[8D] I can see both sides of the location debate have their legitiment points. Even in big buck states the cream rises to the top. One could luck into a brusier no doubt. To kill multiple book bucks year after year is something only a hand full of (ordinary archers like us on HNI) can pull off.

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It's P&Y or bust Chris. We have to pass 130"s. Last year the guys that hooked us up passed 140"s and both brought home 150"s. Am I calling it? Only if it has both sides! [8D]

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I just hope you can hit it:D Oh he said it,LOL

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If he isn't in NC.....he should be fine!

Rob can't hit ****, here!:D

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ouch :D

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It's P&Y or bust Chris. We have to pass 130"s. Last year the guys that hooked us up passed 140"s and both brought home 150"s. Am I calling it? Only if it has both sides! [8D]
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I hope you pull it off Rob. Knowing the buck of a lifetime is in the area will definantly help keep you on stand for many hours.

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I never singled anyone out, Rob, especially you.

As far as what you said leads to the location equation........... two wrongs don't make a right. ;)

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I missed this, LOL Sure I agree, but now what this thread is about:D

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Boy I just love these "location" threads....Thanks for posting it Buckeye:eek::D:D:D.

I agree though, if you don't like your situation or location then either do something about it or quit whining. HOWEVER, just because someone brings up location as an important part of the "killing big antlered deer" equation doesn't in itself mean they are unhappy about their situation. They are just stating a fact.....Location is a major factor in killing big antlered deer.

Oh, yeah....BRING BACK ATLASMAN![:@]:D

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I know Greg, see disclaimer. I made it bigger for us older eyes. [8D]

And OUCH from those other woodywoodpeckerheads. :D ;)

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Just like determining the value of real estate,the three most important aspects in killing big deer is location,location,location!:D
Rob and Duke,pretty much summed it up for me ie.shooting 31/2 year old bucks in ohio,Illinois,Wisconsin,Iowa,Kansas,or any of the other destination big buck states does not make someone a better hunter than the hunter from Pennsylvania,New Jersey,New York etc. who also kills or consistently kills 31/2 or older aged bucks.The challenge is in the deers age and not it's head gear.I would never diminish someones accomplishment no matter where they are from,nor would I attribute greater respect to them as a result of the size of the bucks they shoot.It is all about age class in relationship to accomplishment,not spread,tine length or score.
People place to much emphasis on what other people are doing.Our focus should be on the doing the best we can ( if that is important to the person)in the area's we choose to hunt.

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Well said, Biggun.;)

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Ok... To many post to break down everyone so I will hit a few here...


gmmat

Why did you take this thread so personal... I never implied it was about you.You know what that say about assuming [8D]...



Don
Exactly... But to add... If you don't want to look for a better "location" than stop complaining and play the hand you were dealt.


Bry
Uhhhh.... NO! :DI gotmy best spots knocking on doors and scouting public access land.... They can too ;)


Correct.... And if you don't put forth the effort for a better spot than don't complain....


Gary
Spot on... Thank you sir!


Rob
I am still waiting to see the video of your Boone and Crockett 8 point (maybe one of the rarest whitetails on the face of this earth, a B&C 8 point that is) at your "honey hole" location :D.


BigJ

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Then don't assume I took it personally[8D].

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You sure ran with it if you didn't take it personal ;)

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What you're talking about (people complaining....or ....in some people's opinion...."trying to diminish the accomplishments of others") rears its ugly head in MANY ways.

I've been on the receiving end of it on several occasions....by people attempting to identify the herd I hunt as "Parks deer"...."suburban deer".....etc...

What another man is doing while he hunts makes no difference to me. HOW another man hunts makes no difference to me.

If you said to me.....that the NO.1 reason I have the opportunity to kill a lot of deer (if you consider the number I kill a "lot") is because I live in a place that has an abundance of deer......I'd have NO ISSUES with that assessment. It's a fact, in reality. NO ISSUES.

Where the "rub" comes into play....is when someone attempts to make the EXACT same claim in regards to large antlered deer.;)

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What the heck is this about???

Seriously did you evenread what I wrote, I mean really did you????? No where didI mention diminishing one's accomplishments,big racks, large herds, long beards or any of that.....

BRB... I'm going to go read my post again.... Yep, just like I remember... Nothing to do with anything other than people complaining.

Funny how some guys understand what my thread was about and others twist it into whatever they want for their personal satisfaction.
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