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mlo31351270 04-11-2008 04:06 PM

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 
Doesn't an opponent have to know that you are afterhim to outsmart him? It takes two to play the outsmart game!

GregH 04-11-2008 04:12 PM

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

ORIGINAL: mlo31351270

Doesn't an opponent have to know that you are afterhim to outsmart him? It takes two to play the outsmart game!
Sure it does, haven't you ever taken a deer that knew humans were around?

GregH 04-11-2008 04:18 PM

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

ORIGINAL: racewayking


ORIGINAL: GregH


ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Hey Greg,.....do you share this spot?

If so.....what's the other guy killing, there? I'm curious as to what that place produces (other than what you have been taking).

Thanks.
GMMAT
Not trying to be a jerk, but I've posted the answers to your question twice here before. It was when I was trying to show that success is not always about location.

Yes I share this with one other guy.

Him Me
1136 gross (not P&Y) 140 gross (P&Y)

2 132 (P&Y)133 (P&Y)

3 Antlerless (shed buck) 143 (P&Y)

4 Skunked126 (not P&Y)

5 115 (not P&Y) 170 (P&Y)

Not taking anything away from him but it's the little things that he does that limits his success.Mostly, he doesn't give the deer enough credit.


What would you say he is doing to limit his success Greg?

He does things that make him comfortable, not the deer.

1) when he trims, it looks like a bulldozer went through.

2) He leaves a bow rope hanging from every stand (I call them human scent wicks).

3) He does too much in-season scouting.

4) He erects stands constantly through out the rut.

There are more.

GregH 04-11-2008 04:21 PM

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

ORIGINAL: davidmil

It's always been about location...LOCATION.. LOCATION. Find the right woods and have no pressure or the right pressure and almost anyone with a brain looks like a magician. Put him somewhere else and it's a different story. I've had those spots and I've had bad spots. It humbles you quickly when you go from Heaven to Hell. I don't see it as a chess match either.... more like a Bar Room Brawl. There are no rules and anything goes and be flexible and expect the unexpected.
Haven't we all...... :eek:

Vabowman 04-11-2008 04:42 PM

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 
I think everyone can agree on the location thing, even GregH Im sure realizes you have to hunt where they live, but, he also knowsthat's not enough, if you don't pin point him, if you stink to high heavens, if you bump him too many times, if you never position yourself in the right tree, etc ,the list can go on, if all of these things are not considered, then he does not have to be very smart to outsmart you does he ?????

racewayking 04-11-2008 04:42 PM

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

ORIGINAL: GregH


ORIGINAL: racewayking


ORIGINAL: GregH


ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Hey Greg,.....do you share this spot?

If so.....what's the other guy killing, there? I'm curious as to what that place produces (other than what you have been taking).

Thanks.
GMMAT
Not trying to be a jerk, but I've posted the answers to your question twice here before. It was when I was trying to show that success is not always about location.

Yes I share this with one other guy.

Him Me
1136 gross (not P&Y) 140 gross (P&Y)

2 132 (P&Y)133 (P&Y)

3 Antlerless (shed buck) 143 (P&Y)

4 Skunked126 (not P&Y)

5 115 (not P&Y) 170 (P&Y)

Not taking anything away from him but it's the little things that he does that limits his success.Mostly, he doesn't give the deer enough credit.


What would you say he is doing to limit his success Greg?

He does things that make him comfortable, not the deer.

1) when he trims, it looks like a bulldozer went through.

2) He leaves a bow rope hanging from every stand (I call them human scent wicks).

3) He does too much in-season scouting.

4) He erects stands constantly through out the rut.

There are more.
I can see 1,3, and 4 but do you really think that 2 is a factor? I have a ghetto hunting tip for another day that might eliminate the issue but I have never seen a problem. I have a bow rope on all my stands at both locations I hunt and haven't seen any issues. The "Mojito Bandito" smells like a tequila factory on weekends and the bow rope on my stand that he always pirates seems to have no effect on deer.

davidmil 04-11-2008 04:46 PM

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

ORIGINAL: racewayking

I think that deer are given way too much credit most of the time. I know of a few deer that look in trees where I hunt and I believe they might have an association with a different smell in the woods and a previous encounter where they saw someone in a tree or got shot at etc. For humans smell is powerful and a whiff of perfume can take you back 20 years to your Prom Date and the fun that happened after Prom, I see this as a possibility with deer as well.
Deer lead a simple life, they are slaves to their stomach and need to eat as much as they can before the weather turns and the rut starts since they loose so much bodyweight during the rut. A deer will feed, walk, feed, walk, bed, walk, feed, walk, bed, walk, feed, walk, feed, walk. They are on a continuing pattern of eating, bedding, and walking the way I see it. If you figure out the times, where they eat, what they eat, and how they get to their areas of food and relaxation then you are good.
I use the same approach to deer hunting that I did when I was a repo man, Figure out where the sucker sleeps, eats, cruises chicks, etc and know the times they are there and bingo, rollin in the 5.0 to the repo yard.
Well RaceKing, yes they may be given too much credit, but I have a couple stories that also tell you they can be just dang spooky. I won't bore you with them, but they leave you shaking your head. Absolutely uncanning.

mlo31351270 04-11-2008 04:49 PM

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

Sure it does, haven't you ever taken a deer that knew humans were around?
Yes, but the deer didn't know that I was after him. I sat in a tree, the deer came by and I shot. He wasn't even trying to outsmart me. He didn't have a clue. Sure he knows there are dangers in the woods. A deer doesn't have a clue what guns and bows are or their capacity to kill. When a deer gets killed the other deer have no idea what happened or even how it happened. In order to outsmart a deer, or anything for that matter, there has to be 2 players at the game with full knowledge of the possible outcome of the game. Maybe outsmart is the wrong word to use. There are definitely good hunters out there (GH) that know how to use nature to thier advantage, ie: wind direction, habits of the deer, etc.


Vabowman 04-11-2008 04:50 PM

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 
racewayking, I have personally never thought about my bow rope, but, you can bet your ass I won't leave another hanging down, not that I do, I usually put it in my pack, but, all the same, just one more little helpful tip from the Greg that I will jot down. I don't see where it would hurt to take it down after you finish hunting everytime.

JoeRE 04-11-2008 05:03 PM

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 
Wow, jelousy is a be-otch.

I think I give whitetails enough credit, its generally more than other hunters I meet do The are just animals after all....with a survival mechanism that is oh...about a 1000x better than ours.


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