Lazer or Paper tuning ?
 

Which is better or easier ?

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I only use the laser to set up my centershot. Then I use bareshaft, paper, walkback, and group tuning to get the arrow and bow where I think it needs to be.

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nothing is easy when it comes to this, use the lazer to get you started and paper tune to get it fine tuned to how you and your bow shoot.

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Two different things in my opinion. Laser tuning really isn't tuning in my opinion it is just an accurate way of setting up the bow initially. Tuning is tuning the bow to you and how you shoot. I don't do either most of the time. I just eyeball everything and then jump right to group or bare shaft tuning.

Paul

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Laser and Level tuning is usually ALL I ever need to do. Out of a shooting machine, it would be perfect. You can't set a bow better than center and level imo. After that, poor arrow flight shows issues in either shooter, arrow or issue in the bow itself. At that point, other means of tuning is necessary be it walk back, bare shaft or paper.

Every bow I've laser and leveled shoots perfect arrows and just recently for the hell of it I shot my 82nd through paper, yup, bullet hole!

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I'm new to all of this, and by no means an expert, but I agree with Rob. The amount of DIFFERENT bows he's "tuned" with his lazer (including my Ross), and the fact that they all required very little tweaking to get right (assuming proper spine and lack of form issues) is pretty impressive for a tool that most over on AT bash as just another gadget.

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I also look at it this way, if after laser/level tuning, someone paper tunes and gets a big tear, why would you not address the form issue rather than take a bow off center shot to the archer rather than the archer to the bow?

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Rob which lazer(in my best Mr Evil voice) do you have?

I myself have the shop set center shot with the lazer and then I broadhead tune my bow.

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My X force was laser tune, but then I shot it through paper and had a high tear?? I have tuned the bow twice now using paper and have bullet holes now. I did change rest however.

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I am astounded by your lack of sensitivity, Rob! Daring to say people should work on their skill rather than fiddle around with the bow? OUTRAGEOUS!

[8D]

But, in the meantime while they are working on perfecting their form, I'd rather see them tune the bow to their form than to be struggling along trying to force themselves to match a shooting machine. Give them the best accuracy and arrow flight possible, given their dismal and imperfect shooting skills. ;)

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I actually do it different. I eyeball with an arrow on the rest (just as accurate as a laser IMO), I then bare shaft out to 30-40 yards and make adjustments off of that , and then fire thru paper just to make sure, and it generally is bullet holes at that point. I then screw on some broadheads and tweek from there, and then its off just wearin out the string firing hundreds of arrows, so I can buy a new string and do it all over again.

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http://home.att.net/~sajackson/tuning_guide.html

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X2

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I wil laser to level and go from their , i'm getting1/2 tearabove on paper . will see how it goes after laser .

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If the bow doesn't have level nock travel then a level won't be accurate and it the riser isn't cut square to centershot,then the EZE EYE laser won't be accurate.Not saying they aren't usefull tools,they just need knowledgable operators behind them.



Manufactuers are getting better at this but not all risers are square,not even all top of the line bows are.

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I actually feel this would be a better system(picture below)for the average guy to use and would work betteron a larger variety of bows.BUT,it should be a full length arrow so it could be done at full draw but this is sufficient for an initial setup.

Also,the Spott Hogg laser is a GREAT product when used with the right equipment,that most don't have.AND in the hands of the right person.

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Okay, it was lasered for center shot but was it leveled?

Good point AP but, the flaws in the form should not be overlooked and perhaps the two can become one. ;)

Germ, kwilson16...EZE EYE

TFOX, I haven't seen a riser yet that it hasn't been perfect on, which only includes a variety of Bowtechs, A few Hoyts, a Browning, Ross, Parker and a few Mathews. So far, so perfect as far as end results and broadheads.

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For those wondering about using the laser and levels, and for more discussion... I posted a how-to a while back
here

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I have seen a couple Hoyts that weren't even close to having the riser and centershot the same.This occurs more on older models and I highly doubt that the cast risers are casted that close.;)

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OH,I almost forgot.I have a friend that just had his Drenalin tuned on a Hooter Shooter and laser checked with a Spott Hogg by one of the best tuners ,probably in the country and his riser and centershot was not even close.So much so that his site (no 3rd and ahunting bow) had to be shimmed to be square with the arrow.

The tuner is a mutual friend of ours and builds our strings.We get a Hooter Tune when we get strings made by him,that is why the hunting bow was on the machine to begin with,in case you are wondering.


I also had a Hoyt Protec (06 model),that had to be shimmed as well,so it is easier to set 3rd axis off sight bar.If the sight bar has to be shimmed to match the TRUE centershot of the bow,the riser is not square with centershot.

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http://www.lawleroutdoors.com/Article.asp?Article=Bow%20Setup%20and%20Tuning&amp ;Call=Hunting/Hunting.asp?Game=Archery

Some more helpful tips/

Thx Rob, going to order one on the morning:D

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And it is for that very reason that I don't paper tune. All it does is test the archer... it does it certain circumstance have its merits... but I agree Rob that 95% of the time (and I set up a WHOLE lot of bows) that leveling and lazering is all it ever takes.

I am a big fan of walkback tuning for broadheads...and even for field points. I helps fix the minor user issues related to the arrow and sometimes even the individual shooter. I'm no Matt Miller after all you know.....

I've done a bit of bareshaft tuning, but I have found that with some of the newer super hard cams, I can't get a bareshaft to fly worth a lick... I'll use some arrows that should be WAY WAY WAY stiff... and still get a weak reaction....anyone have any idea on why this might be? I know it works wonders on finding the right arrow/brace height on my recurve.

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TFox, there's no need to try to prove me wrong with the riser defaults. I've yet to experience that with any of the bows I've worked with. While it may not be the amount you do through a shop, Laser and Level tuning has resulted in perfect broadhead flight on every bow I've touched. Perhaps sooner or later someone will bring me one with a "off" riser.

Even then I believe it to be closer than paper tuning. By untuning a bow because of bad form you can manipulate it to the owner but honestly that's not fixing the problem in the shooter, just matching the bow poorly to his hand. Take that same bow said to be tuned and hand it to a better shooter and shazaam, bad tune!

I'd rather work with the shooter than untune his bow.

I also agree with Swamp, after lazer and levels, bare shaft, walk back and mainly broadheads will tell you if your bow is tuned with matched arrows, so far everyone's bows I've thrown the laser and level on came back to me with " I've never had better broadhead flight" and I believe that with some of the configurations that have come to me, I wonder how they even shot the damn things but they were said to be "paper tuned".

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I agree that paper can be a horrible indicator of tune,but it can be a good indicator of having a good tune as well.As long as the shooter can do his part.

I don't tune to paper but use paper to check tune.When I get done tuning my bows,I can get a great tear most of the time.

I am not sayingthe EZEcenterlaser doesn't have it's merits but it isn't the end all to tuning.It might even be very close for 90% of bows,or 50%,I can't say one way or the other.I would actually like to have one,but I would use it in many other ways than center shot tuning.It would be a great tool to help with 3rd axis adjustment if one knows what he is doing.


I do feel the laser I showed the picture of is a better product,if it works as advertised.I have not actually used one so that I can not say for sure.I am waiting for the full length version.[:-]

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I think what this thread shows well is that there is no dead set RIGHT way of doing things. There are lots of ways to do it wrong, and several ways to do it right...whats important is arriving at an end somehow....your methods can take you on a long winding road sometimes....

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Thank You

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No problem, Tony... couldn't believe when I went and dug that up just then that that thread's over 15,000 views now... It must be showing up in some major search engines like Yahoo or Google to get that much traffic.