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Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
First off, I really have no dogin the fight. I have shot Grim Reapers for the past 5 seasons and muzzys for 15 prior to that. I recently picked up some Hypershock 125's with a 2 3/4" diameter. I haven't even opened them yet, so I'm not a Hypershock fanboy, but if bigger is better....then why not these?
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RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
Well, there are some major differences. I have some 100 grain Hypershocks I'm going to try this year as well.
They hypershocks are going to burn some serious KE upon entry. Look how far the ferrule has to be in the animal before the blades even begin to open. The Rage, on the other hand, burns virtually NO KE because of it's deployment system. The blades are FULLY open before they even get to the hide. You get the full 2" cutting diameter upon entry. In that respect, the Rage is like a fixed blade head, with the flight characteristics of a mechanical. |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
Mobow, I understand the differences in the operation of the heads. I'm asking if bigger is better, then why not go all out? Like I said, I don't even shoot them yet and I not even sure if I will. Just asking, and this isn't a jab at Rage. My friends put some impressive holes in deer last season with the Rage 2 blades.
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RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
First off, I really have no dogin the fight. I have shot Grim Reapers for the past 5 seasons and muzzys for 15 prior to that. I recently picked up some Hypershock 125's with a 2 3/4" diameter. I haven't even opened them yet, so I'm not a Hypershock fanboy, but if bigger is better....then why not these? My complaint with them is that they DON'T open on impact leaving a big entrance. Rage gives you both. |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
I think marketing may very well have something to do with it.
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RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
RAGE took over man! I can't even name another mechanical......I'm that fixed blade guy who would never have considered a mechanical, but the fact that theyre open on entrance......and the way they work etc.....
All the hype too, I've yet to hear a bad thing about the 2 blade, and lately I'm thinking more and more about longer range shots.....bucking the wind better etc..... But seriously, IMO I can only really name 1 mechanical off the top of my head, and onlly 1 I'd consider using, I really wouldn't consider anything else for mechanical but a RAGE, if I consider other BH's they'll be fixed blades. |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
The only real difference is that Rage leaves a big-ass entry hole, where the Hypershock doesn't.
Once inside, the Hypershock will do more damage (and have more killing power) by virtue of the bigger cutting diameter. If it doesn't exit, it just won't leave a gigantic exit wound. Either way, I don't think it'll matter a lick, b/c you could probably shoot a deer square in the guts with a head that big, and it wouldn't go 100 yards before it would be too sick to go any further. In all honesty, that's the true fudge-factor that a lot of guys are looking for. |
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ORIGINAL: salukipv1 RAGE took over man! I can't even name another mechanical......I'm that fixed blade guy who would never have considered a mechanical, but the fact that theyre open on entrance......and the way they work etc..... All the hype too, I've yet to hear a bad thing about the 2 blade, and lately I'm thinking more and more about longer range shots.....bucking the wind better etc..... But seriously, IMO I can only really name 1 mechanical off the top of my head, and onlly 1 I'd consider using, I really wouldn't consider anything else for mechanical but a RAGE, if I consider other BH's they'll be fixed blades. |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
I may actually switch to Snypers if I have any trouble with the rage replacement blades.
And if they make a better mech. head than the rage.....I'll switch in a minute. I just haven't found it. No ties, though. |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
As with any new product marketing and word of mouth are good bet.
If they didn't get the exposure their sales wouldn't be as good. |
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ORIGINAL: txjourneyman I think marketing may very well have something to do with it. Yep. Its the same reason so many people come into the gun shop looking for TC Encores... marketing, advertising, putting it in celebrities hands.... getting people to talk about it. How many threads you suppose were posted up here, in the gear review forum and in the technical forum last fall about Rage heads? I got sick of seeing them. It seems like a full 25% of the membership here was planning on trying them. They go so much "talk advertisement" that everyone knows what they are and what they are about. |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
ORIGINAL: Charlie P As with any new product marketing and word of mouth are good bet. If they didn't get the exposure their sales wouldn't be as good. |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
that same word of mouth can hurt you as well. If they weren't as bad arse as they are, they wouldn't be as popular. I haven't used the head so, I can't say if they are bad arse or not. I do know they haven't been out that long so time will determine how good they are. You know what I mean? |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
ORIGINAL: Charlie P that same word of mouth can hurt you as well. If they weren't as bad arse as they are, they wouldn't be as popular. I haven't used the head so, I can't say if they are bad arse or not. I do know they haven't been out that long so time will determine how good they are. You know what I mean? |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
How do the Tekan 2 by G5 rate against the RAGE ? , anybody on here tried them yet and what do you think of them ? .
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I have personally seen three deer taken with them. They are the real deal.
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The only complaints I have heard from anyone on the big mechanicals is lack of a pass thru. If you have enough KE, that shouldn't be an issue on an average deer IMO. Is anyone using Hypershocks or have in the past? I'm interested to see what they can do and would like to know your experiences.
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Of the three deer shot, one large mulie was shot at 40 yards - hard quartering away angle - entered last rib and exited out the top of the shoulder. 2nd one was another large mule deer buck. Hit muscle tissue of shoulder broadside at 30 yards - went through both lungs - stopped in bone of opposite shoulder. Third one was a whitetail buck at 20 yards. Pass through on a broadside gut shot. All bows were 60 lbs. of KE. All three deer were only able to make it about 50 yards after being shot. Massive blood loss.
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RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
Why is Rage top dog? That's easy; they've spent more money advertising and promoting they're heads than anyone else! I won't be shooting them anytime soon, cause I don't care who uses them, I only use what tests have proven to be better performing heads....
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RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
Why is Rage top dog? That's easy; they've spent more money advertising and promoting they're heads than anyone else! I won't be shooting them anytime soon, cause I don't care who uses them, I only use what tests have proven to be better performing heads.... I'm not making fun of you or your post. I'm just wondering which head inflicts more dmage than the rage.....and if someone would be kind enough to post up some photos of said damage. We can compare our results. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Why is Rage top dog? That's easy; they've spent more money advertising and promoting they're heads than anyone else! I won't be shooting them anytime soon, cause I don't care who uses them, I only use what tests have proven to be better performing heads.... |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
I follow that NEW......what you're saying (and I think the recall was limited to the 3 blade rage head).....but I find it VERY funny that the largest detractors of this head have never tried it....and never intend to try it......yet they know something else is "The best", or...better than the rage head. I've just asked to see the damage the "best" is inflicting....and let's compare.
You know....if someone just says....I'm gonna use a slick trick (or whatever).....more power to 'em. I don't see why all the insecurity over the rage head abounds, though. You can't post a rage thread in this forum without having the people aforementined (who've never used it....and never intend to use it) coming in and denouncing it. It's really hilarious, dontcha think?:) |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
Let me clarify that I have no problem with the Rage head and have never really denounced it, I don't/haven't used them for my own reasons. Namely the recall and the fact that I don't like the looks of them(I know, not the best reason just being honest). I am just pointing out the fact that while they are popular there are many broadheads on the marketproducing similiar results.While I may not shoot the RageI can read and formulate opinions basedon other information as I do with many products. I won't criticize them but I willcomment on thembased on what I have read andother broadhead results I have seen(comparetively that is). They are probablygood headsbut if you think their popularity does not have anything to do with being the next "big thing" and lots of advertising dollarsthen just wait a couple of seasons until the next big thing comes out.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT I follow that NEW......what you're saying (and I think the recall was limited to the 3 blade rage head).....but I find it VERY funny that the largest detractors of this head have never tried it....and never intend to try it......yet they know something else is "The best", or...better than the rage head. I've just asked to see the damage the "best" is inflicting....and let's compare. You know....if someone just says....I'm gonna use a slick trick (or whatever).....more power to 'em. I don't see why all the insecurity over the rage head abounds, though. You can't post a rage thread in this forum without having the people aforementined (who've never used it....and never intend to use it) coming in and denouncing it. It's really hilarious, dontcha think?:) ORIGINAL: GMMAT At 300+fps and 80+#'s of KE.......I don't worry about whether mine will or won't. I KNOW I have the most trauma inflicting BH on the tip of my arrow that is made......bar none. I shoot the Rage. Good luck. |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT I follow that NEW......what you're saying (and I think the recall was limited to the 3 blade rage head).....but I find it VERY funny that the largest detractors of this head have never tried it....and never intend to try it......yet they know something else is "The best", or...better than the rage head. I've just asked to see the damage the "best" is inflicting....and let's compare. You know....if someone just says....I'm gonna use a slick trick (or whatever) .....more power to 'em. I don't see why all the insecurity over the rage head abounds, though. You can't post a rage thread in this forum without having the people aforementined (who've never used it....and never intend to use it) coming in and denouncing it. It's really hilarious, dontcha think?:) Yes it's very hilarious!;):D |
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Kind of like someone saying they have the most trauma causing head on the market.....bar none......when they have tried relatively few broadheadsand aresaying that basedon their resultsfromless than one season and acouple of deer, I'm just saying. Also...."couple of deer"? Surely you jest.....lol;) |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Kind of like someone saying they have the most trauma causing head on the market.....bar none......when they have tried relatively few broadheadsand aresaying that basedon their resultsfromless than one season and acouple of deer, I'm just saying. Also...."couple of deer"? Surely you jest.....lol;) Like I said in the other thread I see why you use them and like them. You have had good success with them. Does that make them the end all cure all broadhead? Not to me, but that is because I have had similiar success with other brands of broadheads and the allure of the Rage is not enough to pull "me" from my tried and true or make me think there is nothing that can compare. In the interest of full disclosure your whole post is below, I saw nowhere after my post in that thread where you responded to me, I did see the link to the doe kill before me. I just quoted the part aboutthe Rage being "most traumatic" ....bar none because that would seem to imply you have tried the rest: If your setup will push it.......I don't think there's a more devastating BH out there. If your setup won't......I'd go with a more traditional COC head. At 300+fps and 80+#'s of KE.......I don't worry about whether mine will or won't. I KNOW I have the most trauma inflicting BH on the tip of my arrow that is made......bar none. I shoot the Rage. Good luck. Different strokes, I'm not much for the newest/next big thing type products but that definitely doesn't mean they aren't good, better than everything else? If yousay so. |
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Guys, I really didn't intend to make this into a Rage vs the archery world thread. We've been down that road enough lately. If a big BH is your thing....why not go all out..thats my question. If 2 inch diameter is good, wouldn't 2 3/4 be better?;)
I've never been unhappy with a BH I've hunted with. When I have changed brands, its always been to something that caught my eye or looked to perform better that my current one, not the latest greatest or the head that XYZ pro staffer is using. |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
2" cutting surface.........with a head that opens on impact. That's what I base my assertion on.
I just haven't seen nor heard of anything that's "better". I have no ties to the rage company. If something better comes out.....I'll tip my arrow with it. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I follow that NEW......what you're saying (and I think the recall was limited to the 3 blade rage head).....but I find it VERY funny that the largest detractors of this head have never tried it....and never intend to try it......yet they know something else is "The best", or...better than the rage head. I've just asked to see the damage the "best" is inflicting....and let's compare. You know....if someone just says....I'm gonna use a slick trick (or whatever).....more power to 'em. I don't see why all the insecurity over the rage head abounds, though. You can't post a rage thread in this forum without having the people aforementined (who've never used it....and never intend to use it) coming in and denouncing it. It's really hilarious, dontcha think?:) But what I think is equally as hilarious is EVERY Rage thread you do the exact opposite. Opinions are just that, and I'm don't see the need to continue shoving Rage down our throat. We all know you like them, and you should. But think about this..... Isn't how you handle equal to how the others handle it, just with a differing viewpoint? Shoot, when I see a Rage thread, I stay out. I already know what you're going to say, they're all the same. I think you know what I'm getting at here. Sometimes pushing a viewpoint does more harm than good. ;) |
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There are a dozen heads out there both mech and fixed that will do the job as well as the Rage and when I can't find the head I have used for so many years I sure might try them.
I guess I just don't understand the need to try a new BH every year. I like knowing that my bow is gonna be shooting pretty much where I left her..If it works why fix it. Those rages sure leave some scary holes and help with marginal shots but that can only be a benifit.. |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
I find it VERY funny that the largest detractors of this head have never tried it....and never intend to try it......yet they know something else is "The best", or...better than the rage head. I've just asked to see the damage the "best" is inflicting....and let's compare. LT |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
But what I think is equally as hilarious is EVERY Rage thread you do the exact opposite. Opinions are just that, and I'm don't see the need to continue shoving Rage down our throat. We all know you like them, and you should. But think about this..... Isn't how you handle equal to how the others handle it, just with a differing viewpoint? Shoot, when I see a Rage thread, I stay out. I already know what you're going to say, they're all the same. I think you know what I'm getting at here. Sometimes pushing a viewpoint does more harm than good. ;) There is a big difference in the approach. |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
True enough buddy. True enough. I was just sayin is all....
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RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
Have you seen the Grim Reaper video of the Rage head compared to a Grim Reaper on the steel drum test? Not saying steel is a great comparison - but it does show the strengths and weakness's of different heads.
The Grim Reaper 1-3/4" cut and Wasp Jakhammer 1-3/4" cut heads do as much damage, and have a FAR superior strength by design! |
RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
Admittedly, I haven't Todd (seen the steel drum tests).
My comments are only the reults of field testing on whitetails.......6 of them from the '07 season taken with the rage head. |
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ORIGINAL: WKP Todd Have you seen the Grim Reaper video of the Rage head compared to a Grim Reaper on the steel drum test? Not saying steel is a great comparison - but it does show the strengths and weakness's of different heads. The Grim Reaper 1-3/4" cut and Wasp Jakhammer 1-3/4" cut heads do as much damage, and have a FAR superior strength by design! Also,when looking at BH's or any product that you use the product should be tested on what it is designed for. BH's are designed to inflict damage in order to kill animals and the Rage does this second to none. |
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Watch these clips if you want - they taught me a thing or two....
http://grimreaperbroadheads.com/videos.html# |
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The Grim Reaper video is definitely a good one. I got it with my Reapers when they came in. Lots of work went into those tests.
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RE: Big mechanicals....why is Rage top dog?
Bigger is not necessarily better. Shoot your new broadheads and see what you get. I don't know that Rage is the top dog, it's just the RAGE on this site. LOL Honestly, there are so many great broadheads to pick from now days. When I started there were 2 broadheads I think and you spent hours sharpening them and they flew like crap, about 50 percent of them anyway. Today there are at least 8 or 10 broadheads I'd feel comfortable putting on an arrow and going hunting. Some of them are not equal, but with culling you can get a set of good ones.
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ORIGINAL: NEW61375 Let me clarify that I have no problem with the Rage head and have never really denounced it, I don't/haven't used them for my own reasons. Namely the recall and the fact that I don't like the looks of them(I know, not the best reason just being honest). I am just pointing out the fact that while they are popular there are many broadheads on the marketproducing similiar results.While I may not shoot the RageI can read and formulate opinions basedon other information as I do with many products. I won't criticize them but I willcomment on thembased on what I have read andother broadhead results I have seen(comparetively that is). They are probablygood headsbut if you think their popularity does not have anything to do with being the next "big thing" and lots of advertising dollarsthen just wait a couple of seasons until the next big thing comes out. ORIGINAL: GMMAT I follow that NEW......what you're saying (and I think the recall was limited to the 3 blade rage head).....but I find it VERY funny that the largest detractors of this head have never tried it....and never intend to try it......yet they know something else is "The best", or...better than the rage head. I've just asked to see the damage the "best" is inflicting....and let's compare. You know....if someone just says....I'm gonna use a slick trick (or whatever).....more power to 'em. I don't see why all the insecurity over the rage head abounds, though. You can't post a rage thread in this forum without having the people aforementined (who've never used it....and never intend to use it) coming in and denouncing it. It's really hilarious, dontcha think?:) ORIGINAL: GMMAT At 300+fps and 80+#'s of KE.......I don't worry about whether mine will or won't. I KNOW I have the most trauma inflicting BH on the tip of my arrow that is made......bar none. I shoot the Rage. Good luck. |
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