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Old 03-27-2008 | 09:17 AM
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Everyone talks about huge entry holes, but no mention of exit hole size...
At least 2". I have photos if you're really interested.

I have heard one shot and the blades are done, which means the blades bend significantly?
I've never experienced bent blades.....and I admit to sharpening and re-using the heads.

I want a head that cuts a swath all the way through the deer, not just part way.
Only one of 6 was not a complete pass-thru. I NEVER got those results with a Muzzy.

Dont show me hide with a 2" hole in it, show me heart and lungs with 2" holes in them.
It stands to reason that a 2"+ entrance hole and a 2" exit hole = a 2" incision thru and thru.

Take a pic of the exit hole too.
upon request I can show these......but there's a link in this thread to a shot with a 4"+ entrance hole and a 2"(+?) exit hole.

The main requirements for me are accuracy, durability, sharpness, and heavy blood trails.
Good requirements. They mirror mine.

Thank you for addressing my questions Jeff. Were you one of those guys that was looking for replacement blades middle of the past season? Just wondering why there was such a clamor for replacement blades if they were not bending(or otherwise badly damaging) the blades....nobody wanted to resharpen them?

I have checked your pics too and your point is noted. However, I still would like to know why (although still large) the exit holes are smaller than the entry? Assuming the blades are still strait, why is it smaller?

I am just trying to clarify a couple things in my head.
The reason the entry holes are larger is because when the Rage opens up on impact and slides back it opens up to almost 3" before it ends up in its finished position of 2".

Also, it never made sense to me to reuse a head after using it on an animal, let alone to reuse the same blades? Why with all the time, money and effort that goes into hunting would you even risk using the same broadhead or same blades after using it already? Way to risky in my opinion because you never no what damage has been done to the head that the naked eye can't see and it just might cost you the next time.
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Old 03-27-2008 | 09:57 AM
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I've sent the same TH 125 through five deer with no problem. Resharpen the blades and let loose.
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Old 03-27-2008 | 09:58 AM
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The reason the entry holes are larger is because when the Rage opens up on impact and slides back it opens up to almost 3" before it ends up in its finished position of 2".
That makes sense I guess.


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Also, it never made sense to me to reuse a head after using it on an animal, let alone to reuse the same blades? Why with all the time, money and effort that goes into hunting would you even risk using the same broadhead or same blades after using it already? Way to risky in my opinion because you never no what damage has been done to the head that the naked eye can't see and it just might cost you the next time.
To each his own I think. While I like to know details because I find them interesting, I try to remind myself the basics are you make a hole in an animal's chest, it bleeds, it dies (to quote someone, I forget who). I trust myself to resharpen a head well enough to do just that, to be able to detect possible flaws beforehand, and to pick a head that is rugged enough to give me peace of mind. That is why what you suggest is not cost effective for me.



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Old 03-27-2008 | 10:01 AM
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Also, it never made sense to me to reuse a head after using it on an animal, let alone to reuse the same blades? Why with all the time, money and effort that goes into hunting would you even risk using the same broadhead or same blades after using it already? Way to risky in my opinion because you never no what damage has been done to the head that the naked eye can't see and it just might cost you the next time.
Annika....let me ask you....are you witht he Rage company? If you are....the way you handled that question right there might just make one of your most loyal customers jump ship.
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Old 03-27-2008 | 10:10 AM
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Also, it never made sense to me to reuse a head after using it on an animal, let alone to reuse the same blades? Why with all the time, money and effort that goes into hunting would you even risk using the same broadhead or same blades after using it already? Way to risky in my opinion because you never no what damage has been done to the head that the naked eye can't see and it just might cost you the next time.
Annika....let me ask you....are you witht he Rage company? If you are....the way you handled that question right there might just make one of your most loyal customers jump ship.
I didn't agree with this statement either Jeff. I haven't used the rage but I'm guessing just like most other BH's they can be used again if there is no damage. I've done it countless times and my eye's aren't lying. A little resharpening and there just as good as new. If they won't sharpen back up, they go on the practice arrows.
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Old 03-27-2008 | 10:23 AM
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The reason the entry holes are larger is because when the Rage opens up on impact and slides back it opens up to almost 3" before it ends up in its finished position of 2".
That makes sense I guess.


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Also, it never made sense to me to reuse a head after using it on an animal, let alone to reuse the same blades? Why with all the time, money and effort that goes into hunting would you even risk using the same broadhead or same blades after using it already? Way to risky in my opinion because you never no what damage has been done to the head that the naked eye can't see and it just might cost you the next time.
To each his own I think. While I like to know details because I find them interesting, I try to remind myself the basics are you make a hole in an animal's chest, it bleeds, it dies (to quote someone, I forget who). I trust myself to resharpen a head well enough to do just that, to be able to detect possible flaws beforehand, and to pick a head that is rugged enough to give me peace of mind. That is why what you suggest is not cost effective for me.
I don't know if I buy that "the blade opens to almost 3"" thing. When the blades are not fully deployed, they are not in a locked or firm enough position to cut. I believe that they would rather fold back than cut.

Second of all, reusing broadheads is not risky if they are thoroughly gone over before reuse. Blades resharpened and spin tested. I've done this many times with fixed blade broadheads.

I don't believe that it is mystical for either blade to produce a larger entrance or exit hole than the cutting diameter of each because of hide stretch, angle of shot etc. What matters is how much cutting of major blood vessels occurs. Granted, a 2" cut will cut more than a 1 1/4" cut. However, a well placed shot with either head will yield the same results. Center punching both lungs with either head is most likely unmeasurable in regard to elapsed time until death.

FYI, I have never tried mechanical heads, but I may. I also believe that the mechanicals may help with a less than ideal shot, but I also believe that they have their downfalls as well. One being more maintenance and being more fragile.
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Old 03-27-2008 | 10:37 AM
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I believe that they would rather fold back than cut.
Knowing how this head operates....I aimagine it to be cutting before and as it locks into place.

Schultzy.....the comment that P'd me off was the one telling us (basically) not to re-use blades. I find this hilarious.....when the company can't produce replacement blades to meet the market needs. I'm not REAL happy about having to keep buying heads to keep using the product.....when all I really needed was the replacement blades.
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Old 03-27-2008 | 10:39 AM
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I believe that they would rather fold back than cut.
Knowing how this head operates....I aimagine it to be cutting before and as it locks into place.

Schultzy.....the comment that P'd me off was the one telling us (basically) not to re-use blades. I find this hilarious.....when the company can't produce replacement blades to meet the market needs. I'm not REAL happy about having to keep buying heads to keep using the product.....when all I really needed was the replacement blades.
AGREED!! But you know how it is....anything a company can do to "force" us to spend more money than we really want to.
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Old 03-27-2008 | 10:45 AM
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I believe that they would rather fold back than cut.
Knowing how this head operates....I aimagine it to be cutting before and as it locks into place.

Schultzy.....the comment that P'd me off was the one telling us (basically) not to re-use blades. I find this hilarious.....when the company can't produce replacement blades to meet the market needs. I'm not REAL happy about having to keep buying heads to keep using the product.....when all I really needed was the replacement blades.
I agree with this but I alsowonder what kind of damage can be done that the naked eye can't see that would cause a malfunction. Can these heads suffer some kind of unseen damage that would render them inoperable or "less operable" as it may be?
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Old 03-27-2008 | 10:52 AM
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Can these heads suffer some kind of unseen damage that would render them inoperable or "less operable" as it may be?
They are VERY simply engineered.

Here's what I do. I clean them, first, in my downstairs sink with a little hot water and some good pressure. Then I blow them out with compressed air. They're now clean and the blades are checked to see if they will still function, properly. I then spray them with WD40.....and let em sit. Then....I'll blow the WD40 out.....sharpen the blades.......replace the O-ring......and put 'em back ona good huntingarrow. Spray 'em with some e3 and they're ready to go.
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