Still would like to know if anyone else has saw this new seat on the sit and climb?

It's just spray paint, though it's the same color. Summit stands go through a booth where the aluminum is heated to somewhere around 300 degrees, and then powder coated electonically... Then a guy at a work station uses a spray paint can to touch up inside corners or any place he sees that he feels needs a touch-up. It was pretty neat to see.

Coug's right about the Lone Wolf, too. Back that little nut off a bit, and that plastic knob is SO much easier to work with which allows you to raise and lower those support arms. Use it a few times, and it's a piece of cake, and you'll definitely appreciate the ability to pack it flat. I told Scott on IM a couple nights ago that I never missed the capability for the stand to fold flat -- until I started using a Lone Wolf and realized what I'd been missing.

Check out a Equalizer.I love mine the leveling feature and light weight construction is great.

Yes, two things.

First of all, I know you're not a metal fabricator or anything... but they make this thing called a "Cut-off" wheel. You can mount it to an angle grinder a bench grinder... whatever. You can even get on and put it on the rotary tool that you use to engrave china sets for your wife. If you bring your happy self to oklahoma... I'll even do it for you.

Second, I'd get your other stand dipped... in the coating that Bowtech used for the finish on their new bows.

I would have mine repainted before I dropped that kind of coin on a viper and then take a grinder to it

If I go the DUCT' tape route... I would like to collaborate with you.... I don't want to show any poor craftsmanship

Not looking good on the West Virginia CHROME on my gear though
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Just a heads up for those who might consider it... the Viper frame is made differently than the Cobra frame, so merely cutting off the front bar isn't as simple as it may first appear. The Cobra is engineered to have an open front and the design is "built in"; it's not on the Viper, and could very possibly weaken the top frame to the point where you wouldn't want to trust your life with it.

Very true Greg, I've done this before and added some bracing if it's required.

Ok, call me what you will.....but....if you want an open front climber......Why not just BUY it that way???

Well, one scenario is that people buy a Viper for someone (like their Dad) who thinks he wants a climber... then decides it's too much work to pack, unpack, set up, climb with (and sure as heck won't wear a harness!)... so their son buys it off them since he talked him into it in the first place.

Now the son is a hard-core bowhunter to the max, and sold all his deer rifles the year after he began bowhunting (about two decades ago or so)... So he wants an open front. He considers doing what Dubbya described above, but has just enough foresight to contact a guy he is just beginning to know a bit who is part of the founding family at Summit. Thankfully, the guy at Summit tells him what I relayed in my post above.

Like I said... Just one scenario.

STRICTLY for the sake of conversation, right Greg?