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fishm@n 03-15-2008 08:20 PM

RE: THINKING RAGE
 
We can't shoot mechanical heads in Washington state.. that goes for Montana too.. Many states with larger game don't allow mechanicals. I think they may need to make a Rage exception.

GMMAT 03-16-2008 12:51 AM

RE: THINKING RAGE
 

And which head is that? I mean, come on Jeff, the rage is not the only head that can inflict "maximum damage".
Oh I don't know, LT.......maybe I say "Maximum" because I haven't found one that cuts a bigger swath through a deer, yet. How big is your head's cutting surface? The RAGE is a full 2 inches.

And, to me.....when picking BH's.....cost isn't a factor. I wasn't aware that was a part of equation.

When they make something better than this head.....I'll switch.;) I don't care what anyone else shoots. I don't come into slick trick threads and tell you to shoot the rage. No sense in it. I'll just post up real-life photos and actual testimonials when someone asks about THIS head.

And....it would be nice if the detractors had actually USED this head before denouncing it. And.....if they'd tell us why they switched.......other than...."I hit bone".....which usually means it had NOTHING to do with thearrow and everything to do with the indian.

peakrut 03-16-2008 01:29 AM

RE: THINKING RAGE
 
I was a wasp user my whole hunting career until this past fall and now use Rage and i hav to say
this baby cuts and like Jeff stated 2 inches and for me its all about that.

MeanV2 03-16-2008 04:10 AM

RE: THINKING RAGE
 
I think Bowhunting for 40 years, killing xxx number of animals using 30 to 40 different brands and models of Broadheads, at least twelve of which were mechanical should give me a right to have an opinion. Whether you agree or not, that's your decision. I have made some awesome looking kills with mechanicals no doubt 95% to 98% they work great, but I will not settle for any kind of malfuntion on the business end of my arrow. User error?? I think I know when a Bad shot is made and I don't need to blame it on equipment. Mechanicals will fail, name one thing that has moving parts that has never malfuntioned?

For what advantage? I see No advantage to them at all. My heads fly like a field point, cut a massive 10 guage hole, and are tough as steel. O they are Steel!! I just refuse to take a chance on dealing with a malfunction for no reason if you do, then more power to you.
I won't argue any more about that fact on this thread.

I kept telling a friend about how mechanicals will malfunction. Well last year he hit a Buck witha perfect shot and only 1 out of 3 blades opened. I found him through a lot of hard tracking for almost a quarter of a mile.
Guess what he is not shooting anymore?;)

Dan

peakrut 03-16-2008 04:39 AM

RE: THINKING RAGE
 
Hey you have not changed your bowtech monikor like the other guys.

Your buddy probably had thepack that was being recalled.;):D
Also tell him to try the 2 blade much better. Less parts moving also.[8D]

LouisianaTomkat 03-16-2008 06:30 AM

RE: THINKING RAGE
 

Oh I don't know, LT.......maybe I say "Maximum" because I haven't found one that cuts a bigger swath through a deer, yet.
A "bigger swath" is not necessary if the shot is not marginal.[:-]


How big is your head's cutting surface?
Big enough to inflict "Maximum damage", oh I would say a 1.5" hole thru the heart or lungs. (After cutting through ribs) I guess this would be big enough.


And, to me.....when picking BH's.....cost isn't a factor. I wasn't aware that was a part of equation.
Well, to me, it is. Especially when my broadheads are no less inferior than the Rage is.:D


I don't come into slick trick threads and tell you to shoot the rage.
I can not find where I told anyone to do this. I was just stating my opinion, along with some facts.


And....it would be nice if the detractors had actually USED this head before denouncing it.
Have you ever used a Slick Trick?


And.....if they'd tell us why they switched.......other than...."I hit bone".....which usually means it had NOTHING to do with thearrow and everything to do with the indian.
So, you are saying we can shoot a deer and not hit bone? Not quite sure that is possible with a 2" cutting swath unless of course its a gut shot.:eek:

Not wanting an argument Jeff, just stating what I know.

LT

nodog 03-16-2008 07:28 AM

RE: THINKING RAGE
 
I dislike little parts. The thought of foolig around with that litle band much less while hunting is almost enough for me to give the whole thing up just to avoid the frustration. Rubber bands and sharp blades, too much for me.

BowHuntingFool 03-16-2008 09:01 AM

RE: THINKING RAGE
 


ORIGINAL: MeanV2

I think Bowhunting for 40 years, killing xxx number of animals using 30 to 40 different brands and models of Broadheads, at least twelve of which were mechanical should give me a right to have an opinion. Whether you agree or not, that's your decision. I have made some awesome looking kills with mechanicals no doubt 95% to 98% they work great, but I will not settle for any kind of malfuntion on the business end of my arrow. User error?? I think I know when a Bad shot is made and I don't need to blame it on equipment. Mechanicals will fail, name one thing that has moving parts that has never malfuntioned?

For what advantage? I see No advantage to them at all. My heads fly like a field point, cut a massive 10 guage hole, and are tough as steel. O they are Steel!! I just refuse to take a chance on dealing with a malfunction for no reason if you do, then more power to you.
I won't argue any more about that fact on this thread.

I kept telling a friend about how mechanicals will malfunction. Well last year he hit a Buck with a perfect shot and only 1 out of 3 blades opened. I found him through a lot of hard tracking for almost a quarter of a mile.
Guess what he is not shooting anymore?;)

Dan
Have you personally shot the rage 2 blade heads??? Doesn't your Bowtech have moving parts on it, so your saying that will fail??:D:D

MeanV2 03-16-2008 09:38 AM

RE: THINKING RAGE
 

ORIGINAL: BowHuntingFool
Doesn't your Bowtech have moving parts on it, so your saying that will fail??:D:D
Try reading a few of my posts and you might get your questions answered without me having to repost. I think the moving parts on a compound give me a decided advantage, Speed, KE, less holding weight, increased range, etc., etc.

Now what advantage would moving blades give me over fixed?
Fly better? Not!
Deer more dead? Not!! I haven't even had to track one in 5 years.
Tougher? Deinitely Not!!

I think some of you guys would buy an explosive broadhead if they marketed it![8D]

I am as high tech as any Hunter, but I am NOT taking a chance on mechanicals. I've used a bunch of them and what's the difference between these and Synpers? Marketing??Some of you will never have a problem. Some already have. It won't change my mind because there is No advantage to be gained by taking that chance. I'll shoot you straight up in all the normal Broadhead tests anyday, and we'll see who comes out on top. If you like mechanicals, Fine!! It is America you can use what you want. I use what I want, asdo most guys. Maybe annika3 will come along and help you guys out. It's his job!! Now who was that talking about bought and paid for?[8D]
I'm just a dealer and deal in dozens of heads, but I am entitled to my choice as well as MHO. I'm surprised I was able to kill a deer last year.

I shot a 10.5 year old 6X6 Bull Elk that had an estimated weight of 900 to 1000# with a 3 blade Rocky Titanium head that had a 1 1/8" cut. He ran 60 yards and piled up. Amazing I'm surprised I killed him with such a small head.

Dan

annika3 03-16-2008 09:52 AM

RE: THINKING RAGE
 

ORIGINAL: MeanV2

I think Bowhunting for 40 years, killing xxx number of animals using 30 to 40 different brands and models of Broadheads, at least twelve of which were mechanical should give me a right to have an opinion. Whether you agree or not, that's your decision. I have made some awesome looking kills with mechanicals no doubt 95% to 98% they work great, but I will not settle for any kind of malfuntion on the business end of my arrow. User error?? I think I know when a Bad shot is made and I don't need to blame it on equipment. Mechanicals will fail, name one thing that has moving parts that has never malfuntioned?

For what advantage? I see No advantage to them at all. My heads fly like a field point, cut a massive 10 guage hole, and are tough as steel. O they are Steel!! I just refuse to take a chance on dealing with a malfunction for no reason if you do, then more power to you.
I won't argue any more about that fact on this thread.

I kept telling a friend about how mechanicals will malfunction. Well last year he hit a Buck witha perfect shot and only 1 out of 3 blades opened. I found him through a lot of hard tracking for almost a quarter of a mile.
Guess what he is not shooting anymore?;)

Dan
Iv'e been bowhunting for 26 years, not 40, but certainly enough experience. I shot fixed heads for the first 18-19 years. I never understood using an over the top expandable. Switched to the Snyper when they came out and then switched to the Rage a couple years ago.

Why?
First,because they do fly more consisitent considering: Bow and how well it is tuned, your release or torgue on the bow when you shoot, distance on shot, wind when shooting.TheRage will shoot more consistent, without question, than a fixed head.

Second, the damage they inflict. The Rage consistently causes more damage, gigger entrance and exit holes,creates better blood trails and puts game down quicker than any broadhead I have used or seen.

Dan,

You keep saying mechanicals are prone to fail at some point. First of all mechanicals should be put into 2 categories: Rear-opening and over the top.Second, fixed heads can fail too.

With that said the Rage 2 blade is 100%guaranteed to open. It is impossible for it not to open based off the design of the head. You will always getthe huge entrance holes with the Rage.

Please don't give me that they may open in flight. The Rage will NOT open in flight if the blades are closed. If you are going to use this, I can say the same thing about fixed heads. If they are not assembled correctly and the collar isn't locking blades down or the blades are not set correctly you can get bad arrow flight or lose blades on impact.

I respect your 40 years of bowhunting but I do not respectyour bias against the Rage. As they say "the proof is in the pudding" and I thinkall the stories and pictures of the Rage inflicting the devastation on animals never seen before would convince even you that the Rage is a great head.

Continuing to put down the Rage only causes you to lose your credibility. And as a dealer it's one of the most important things you have.


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