Mature - Matriarch does....how to discern?
#21
One advantage to shooting the big Does is...
You may not make the mistake by taking a button buck by accident, that could grow into thay P&Y your looking for in the years to come???!!!
If 3 deer come within shooting range and you take the big one, the likely hood is that you killed the mother Doe.
If you shoot one of the smaller ones, and then notice balls when you dressing it, you immediately go to the head looking for nubbies - OPPS!
Shooting the larger one hopefully avoids this.
When in Texas we needed to cull 140 Does for the ranch and these were our instructions to avoid shooting a potential buck.
You may not make the mistake by taking a button buck by accident, that could grow into thay P&Y your looking for in the years to come???!!!
If 3 deer come within shooting range and you take the big one, the likely hood is that you killed the mother Doe.
If you shoot one of the smaller ones, and then notice balls when you dressing it, you immediately go to the head looking for nubbies - OPPS!
Shooting the larger one hopefully avoids this.
When in Texas we needed to cull 140 Does for the ranch and these were our instructions to avoid shooting a potential buck.
#23
If 3 deer come within shooting range and you take the big one, the likely hood is that you killed the mother Doe.
Rob/PA was here in '06 hunting and I had this EXACT scenario occur. I had mama and 2 fawns come right under me. I reached for the bow.....started to draw. I put it back on the hook. The largest deer was the one I had a clear shot at (they walked literally right under me....and no chance to draw). I focused on the larger one as the other two fed away.
The larger one WAS the BB
#24
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
mobow.....don't misunderstand...."we"
are gonna have strict guidelines if you're hunting in the land around where I live. "Brown (and female) is down".
I'd like for my friends to kill a lot of them this year. I'd like to watch more than I shoot.
For my purposes.....I'm gonna try for a big ol gal.
mobow.....don't misunderstand...."we"
are gonna have strict guidelines if you're hunting in the land around where I live. "Brown (and female) is down".
I'd like for my friends to kill a lot of them this year. I'd like to watch more than I shoot.
For my purposes.....I'm gonna try for a big ol gal.

In my area, the larger does are usually the matriarch, fawns (doe or button) are not even close to the mature does. Big does elongate both body and nose here, I consider them cadillac does.
#26
My dad messed up a few years back, he shot what we thought was a HUGE doe, we went out to look at it and realize it was a buck with both of his antlers snapped off just above the bases.
He had HUGE bases- and one of the biggest bodies I've seen on a deer that we have killed...would of loved to have seen him with his rack and also would have love to seen HOW he snapped the antlers off.
He had HUGE bases- and one of the biggest bodies I've seen on a deer that we have killed...would of loved to have seen him with his rack and also would have love to seen HOW he snapped the antlers off.
#28
This is pretty much how i see it in my area as well. I dont know why but every place i hunted this year was covered with BB fawns hardly any doe fawns.
ORIGINAL: GregH
I like that!
When I see a family group of does and fawns, it usually consists of two adults and 3-4 fawns. Usually one of the adults is much larger, she is the matriarch. If you see multiple doe units in a field feeding in close proximity, the most senior ranking doe will be treated with the most respect by the other deer. They are mostly related to each other, all of them.
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
Droopyor even sagging breasts.
Droopyor even sagging breasts.
When I see a family group of does and fawns, it usually consists of two adults and 3-4 fawns. Usually one of the adults is much larger, she is the matriarch. If you see multiple doe units in a field feeding in close proximity, the most senior ranking doe will be treated with the most respect by the other deer. They are mostly related to each other, all of them.
#29
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d
So She will run off attempts at breeding? I would think if she is so dominant and this statusgives her some magic woods wisdom she woud attract or seek out the best mate?
So She will run off attempts at breeding? I would think if she is so dominant and this statusgives her some magic woods wisdom she woud attract or seek out the best mate?
#30
Greg, question... could this be the case also, we lost a staggering amout of bucks in my area this last summer due the EHD, i seen only three racked bucks my whole season . As said, i seen a TON of BB fawns with mother and sisters. are they still hanging around from the lack of bucks with dominance??? it would blow your mind how many of these i seen in a bunch of areas. OR is this mother natures way of replacing what we lost??

ORIGINAL: GregH
All does seek out the best mate regardless of dominance status. By killing her off you alow her buck fawn to remain in her core area.
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d
So She will run off attempts at breeding? I would think if she is so dominant and this statusgives her some magic woods wisdom she woud attract or seek out the best mate?
So She will run off attempts at breeding? I would think if she is so dominant and this statusgives her some magic woods wisdom she woud attract or seek out the best mate?


