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I have the 1/4" and in lower light conditions, my groups spread out more. Let meexplain a little...

The way I shoot is I center my circular pinguard inside the peep. I noticed that when shooting indoors (obviously in poorer light) that the outline of the peep is harder to see so my groups are not as good. It's almost as if the wall of the peep is too thin when there's not enough light and it (the peep)blurrs when I'm trying to focus on it. Anyone else have this problem?

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Most likely what you are encountering is the beveled edge of the meta peep. G5 bevels the inside edge so that if the peep isn't perfectly square, you can still see through it. You know what I'm talking about......it's those times when the string twists just ever so slightly. W/ that beveled edge, you can still see through it.

Second, I'm not a fan of the 1/4"....it's just too gosh darn big. Too much slop. The 3/16 is about perfect and honestly, there's very little difference in light between the two.

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Haven't had this problem, but haven't shot too much with mine yet. If the outline of your peep is too light for your likings, color it black with a sharpie. Should make it darker, but idk how this would help in situations where it is already dark outside.[&:]

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I agree...i would go with a smaller one as well. I have never had the problems that you are talking about...

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I know about the beveled edge but don't understand if that is the problem then why? I have a tube style aligner on there so my peep is always square.

You know, it's probably the case that poorer lighting just blurs any sized peep altogether. What I mean by this is that if I'm shooting outdoors, I can see the entire outline of my peep very clearly. -meaningoutside diameter and inside diameter edges.When I'm indoors, it blurs and the walls thickness of the peep seems to thin out so it's sloppier and harder tocenter with the pinguard.

Anyone else notice that indoor groups are not as good as outdoor groups regardless of what size or what brand of peep you're using?

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Nope not at all. I shoot with both eyes open and it works great for me. Ialso center the sight ring in the peep but do not concentrate on it as much as putting the pin where it needs to be. Also the blue ring seems to help as well. I do not know why but it does.

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I shoot a 3/16 meta peep, w/out an aligner, and can tell zero difference inside or out.

That beveled edge isn't a nice, crisp sharp edge like the other peeps, which could possibly be why you can't see that edge clearly in lower light. I don't know, just throwing out a possibility.

Do I understand that you are using a Meta Peep WITH a peep aligner?

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hmmm maybe if I try explaining a little differently...

My round pinguard appears just a tad smaller than my peep when aiming. This produces 3 different sized circles that I can actually seewith good clarity innatural sunlight- the outside perimeter of the peep, the inside perimeter of the peep, and the pinguard. Because the pinguard is just a tad bit smaller than the inside perimeter of the peep, I center the pinguard inside the peep. I'm then anchored and aim and shoot.

When shooting indoors, it's more difficult to see both the inside and outside perimeters of the peep making it harder to center with the pinguard. Also, because of the poorer lighting, the inside perimeter seems to get bigger which produces slop in my sight picture when trying to center the pinguard inside the inside perimeter of the peep.

I'm thinking this just has something to do with light diffraction and nothing can help it. Have I completely lost everyone? LOL sorry, thanks for trying to understand though.

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yeah mobow, I cut a regular tube style peep in half and used the nipple end to put above the G5 which makes for a pretty nifty aligner.

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Now I understand what you are trying to say. It seems to me like you would have more problems in bright sunlight but I do understand. It sounds like you may want to go one size smaller and give that a try.

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OK if I am to go with a smaller ID peep, I have one concern and one question before doing so...

Concern: a smaller peep means that I will no longer be able to see my entire pinguard thus can no longer centerit inside the peepas an alignment tactic.

Question: does the next smaller IDG5 meta peep have the same OD as the 1/4"? I guess what I'm asking is whether or not the wall thickness of the peeps will be the same. Because my problem is partiallycaused by the thin wall thickness of the current 1/4" peep, I need the next size down to have a thicker wall or else I'll probably encounter a similar problem even once I make the switch.

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Dan

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I've seen the problem. Get something different for indoors.

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I understand this, fully. I shoot the larger G5...and I experience the same issues you do. To ME....going to a smaller peep isn't going to help you. I center my sight housing inside my peep....and it creates a "halo" effect inside my peep when I am at full draw (I can see a "halo" of daylight around the outer rim of my sight pin guard.....inside my peep). In low light conditions.....it becomes harder to discern the "halo". You can be somewhat centered inside the peep.....but be off a little and not be able to tell. That would attribute to the inconsistencies in accuracy.

I understand fully what you are describing. I have issues indoors, as well. I've tried more overhead lighting (basement).....back lighting.....to no avail. I can't recreate "natural" lighting that we get outdoors.

IMO....it's simply a product of our method. You COULD go to a smaller peep.....and center your sight pin inside it. I became much more proficient/accurate when I went away from this method to the one we share, now.

I'd ask....do you get the "halo" effect? It woud depend (not on the size of your peep, necessarily.....but how your peep AND sight housing work together) on your equipment.

Good luck.

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Jeff ever any issues with a tubeless peep?

I am currently using a tube one and would like to switch.

T

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Tony:

I stopped using a tubeless peep about 6 mos. into shooting a bow. I don't see the need for one. I WAS having some issues with my D-loop twisting....but I ordered some BCY loop material and actually tied my first D-loop on, Friday night (Shot my best 3D round ever, Sunday.....with my loop and arrow that I fletched:)).

As long as your D-loop is snug.....and you have it aligned with your peep (and I'm assuming your string has 100 shots or so on it....and it's "trained" itself....or "settled in")....you shouldn't ever have an issue.

Good luck.

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As I suspected, it's diffraction and nothing short of natural sunlight will help the situation. And yes, I too once shot a smaller peep but found that going with a larger peep that I could more easily center the pinguard inside of (because theyboth appeared close but not exact in size at full draw) made me much more accurate. The only drawback being lowlight conditions.

Thanks and no, I do not get the halo effect. We do however, shoot on a nearidentical principle. I cannot see the entire outer rim of my pinguard at full draw. What I actually center inside my peep is 1/32" of the the 1/16" thick orange sticker that traces the outer rim. So when I'm looking through the peep, I see a thin orange circle inside the blue peep. This color contrast works excellent outdoors and I groupwell enoughto get the job doneeven at my max range of 40yds.

But as I mentioned, indoors will produce 4inch groups at 20yds. There's definitely somethingamiss when your outdoor groups at 40 are often timesbetter than your indoor groups at 20. The lighting indoors is about the equivalent of last light conditions in the woods and that's where my concern lies.

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Buy a new sight with a fiber optic ring around the guard so you can see it in low light.

Or...

Do what I do. Forget the flippin' guard and center the pin in the peep.

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It's not the pinguard that I can't see, it's the peep itself. geeezus, some people and their refusal to read! ;);)jk, that might help but a little though it's a good point that I be able to see all of the necessary alignment components as clearly as possible.

Already did that and said I did that too but found the current method much more accurate. I think Jeff hit the nail, it's just a product of the chosen method.

Maybe it's time to try something like a HindSight.

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Hey, you guys, is no one reading my posts ? I am having the same problem with my 3/16" metapeep.
I am going to make my own 3/16 peep but with a thicker edge.
I'll show the results when I finished the peep.........

F.

I shot a shurz-a-peep but it was held by three strands of my string and one of'm always got in the way of aiming...........

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You could always use a Tru-Peep. Personally I like the G5 but only shoot outdoors anymore.

Dan

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Dan, I had the tru peep and the edges aren't thick enough, I really like the shurz-a-peep, just the three strands instead of two I dislike because sometimes the light reflects on the strand that's in your line of view. So I'm going to make one with two grooves and I might commercialize and conquer de world :D.....

I shot a 210 tonight with the metapeep and after removing my cap I shot a 230, which is not good when you're used to shoot above 270 !!!
I just saw a blue haze around my pinguard...........

F.

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There is a peep like you are talking about, but the name slips me at the moment. You couldn't give me a Shurz A Peep, but that's just MO.

Dan

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OOPS didn't see this until now, I asked in the other thread what you meant by D-loop twisting? Where after the shot its facing away from you and then you have to pull it back around so you can put the release back on it? This is what has been happening to me and will get this BCY material. As for the G5 peep I am all over it. Thanks for the help on this one.
Congrats on your shooting and seen that you won also. I made one of my goals this year to learn more about the technical side of bowhunting so lets see where this takes me.

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After the first page of responses I began to think my problem was imaginary but apparently it isn't. LOL

Yes, keep us posted on your aluminum peep. If it works and you still wanna take over the world, you can take over my wallet first because this is a problem I've been combating for quite some time.