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RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
I am not wanting to jump in the middle of the pi$$ing contest going on between the 70# guys and the 60# guys, I just thought I would offer up a little food for thought.
Let me start by stating that I am 35 yrs. old,6'1" 235#'s. I have worked in jobs that could definitely be deemed "physical labor" my whole life. I am nowhere near the size of Big J, but I'm not small either. I have always been comfortable shooting 70#'s and have shot at least that for many years. A couple of years back I had an "old timer" who I respect a great deal tell me the best thing I could do to insure I continue to enjoy this sport as long as I can, would be to drop my draw weight 10 lbs. He had worked construction his whole life and was no small guy himself. He metold that for years he had shot 70-80#'s and always felt fine doing so. Then, one day he began to notice some discomfort in his shoulder at the end of a long target session. Long story short, he is now shooting a crossbow. The Dr. basically told him that between work and heavy draw weights, his shoulder was cashed. My point is that if you have been shooting 70#'s and are happy with the performance and along comes a bow that will give you the exact same performance at 60#'s, why not shoot it? Sure, the 70# model of the same bow may even give you BETTER performance than what you are used to, but if what you have deemed acceptable all of those years has been getting the job done, do you NEED more? The way I see it is this, if I am routinely blowing through deer, shoulders and all, at a certain speed shooting 70#'s and now I can do the same thing with the same results at 60#'s, why not do it? As I said before, it saves on the shoulder, becomes even more comfortable in weird positions, and allows me to shoot even longer with NO discomfort. Before the brilliant, "Then why not just shoot 40#'s ?" remark is made, it's not apples to apples. The point is same speed, same K.E. at 60#'s as I'm getting at 70#'s.Shoot whatever makes you happy, but with today's bows and their efficiency, dropping a little in draw weight certainly couldn't hurt. |
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ORIGINAL: Brett/IL I am not wanting to jump in the middle of the pi$$ing contest going on between the 70# guys and the 60# guys, I just thought I would offer up a little food for thought. Let me start by stating that I am 35 yrs. old,6'1" 235#'s. I have worked in jobs that could definitely be deemed "physical labor" my whole life. I am nowhere near the size of Big J, but I'm not small either. I have always been comfortable shooting 70#'s and have shot at least that for many years. A couple of years back I had an "old timer" who I respect a great deal tell me the best thing I could do to insure I continue to enjoy this sport as long as I can, would be to drop my draw weight 10 lbs. He had worked construction his whole life and was no small guy himself. He metold that for years he had shot 70-80#'s and always felt fine doing so. Then, one day he began to notice some discomfort in his shoulder at the end of a long target session. Long story short, he is now shooting a crossbow. The Dr. basically told him that between work and heavy draw weights, his shoulder was cashed. My point is that if you have been shooting 70#'s and are happy with the performance and along comes a bow that will give you the exact same performance at 60#'s, why not shoot it? Sure, the 70# model of the same bow may even give you BETTER performance than what you are used to, but if what you have deemed acceptable all of those years has been getting the job done, do you NEED more? The way I see it is this, if I am routinely blowing through deer, shoulders and all, at a certain speed shooting 70#'s and now I can do the same thing with the same results at 60#'s, why not do it? As I said before, it saves on the shoulder, becomes even more comfortable in weird positions, and allows me to shoot even longer with NO discomfort. Before the brilliant, "Then why not just shoot 40#'s" remark is made, it's not apples to apples. The point is same speed, same K.E. at 60#'s as I'm getting at 70#'s.Shoot whatever makes you happy, but with today's bows and their efficiency, dropping a little in draw weight certainly couldn't hurt. Dan |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: GMMAT Tell me this, Don. What is the ADvantage for BigJ to shoot 60# limbs on his bow? What is the DISadvantage to him shooting 70# limbs. That said though... all this is relative. I'm a southern boy, we have small deer and we hunt from trees. Deer sneak up on us often and usually we have to take a shot sitting down... all the while working around the tree. Some of these german sheppard sized deer you could kill with a baseball from a full wind up. Half you boys who swear you can shoot 70#s and draw it all day like its nothing at all know for a fact, or at least are too proud to admit, that you couldn't sit on a park bench, pick your feet up off the ground and draw your bow without leaning back. I know there are folks on here that can do it, I'm sure... and it depends entirely on your bow, but with these new hyper aggressive cams, no way jack. You can probably do it with your Mathews, but you aren't shooting no 320s with your Mathews either, unless you have a draw length like Randy Johnson. There is an advantage to shooting a 70# bow.... but not on whitetail deer. You can throw hypotheticals at me all day long about bones and energy and blah blah blah... but at the end of the day its like the difference between a 30/06 and a .375. How much more dead do you want.... and thats only if you can handle it as well. I have yet to see ANYBODY shoot a 70# bow as good as a 60# bow. If you think you can do it, cool, rock on bro good for you. All I can say is I have shot dozens on dozens of deer with 73#s and they are just as dead as the 3 I shot in October on 61#s.... and one of those I wouldn't have gotten a chance to shoot had I been pulling 73#s.... just don't think so. |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
ORIGINAL: SwampCollie Half you boys who swear you can shoot 70#s and draw it all day like its nothing at all know for a fact, or at least are too proud to admit, that you couldn't sit on a park bench, pick your feet up off the ground and draw your bow without leaning back. I know there are folks on here that can do it, I'm sure... and it depends entirely on your bow, but with these new hyper aggressive cams, no way jack. You can probably do it with your Mathews, but you aren't shooting no 320s with your Mathews either, unless you have a draw length like Randy Johnson. I can do that any day of the week.....and twice on Sundays..........with a 100lb bow.;) You also must remember that even though folks live in areas where there are only medium sized game (Whitetails) a lot of folks here have, or will travel to other parts of the country and hunt much bigger game, I know I have. What's wrong with wanting to put as much KE and arrow mass down range...especially if you can physically do it with no problem? Will a 60lb bow kill just as good as a 70lb? that's debatable, I believe in certain circumstances the 60lb might be lacking. At some point it has to. Will it ever be substantial enough to make a difference in real world hunting situations? I don't know, but why should I give Mr. Murphy a chance when I don't have to? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT NO DISadvantage.....ONLY ADvantages. |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: GMMAT Tell me this, Don. What is the ADvantage for BigJ to shoot 60# limbs on his bow? What is the DISadvantage to him shooting 70# limbs. I'm still waiting to read this answer.......Seems like a common problem on these boards lately.:eek: |
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BigJ shouldnt count tho, LOL. how many guys are former NFL Linemen?
I dont see the downside to 60 # bows. Whats the difference in shooting a new 60 # speed bow putting out more KE than say a 5 year old 70# bow. How is this lacking? And those saying the holding weight of 60 # bows makes you creep is a moot point. get a lower let off percentage, that way you will hold the same, but be pulling 10 #s less. Thats gotta be easier on your shoulder. I shoot 70# as well. but am seriously considering 60# limbs on my next bow. But i have more than a few years to think about that, i love my Vectrix.:D |
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ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter ORIGINAL: GMMAT NO DISadvantage.....ONLY ADvantages. The noise a bow makes is far more relative to it's manufacturer (design) and components that it's draw weight.......try again. |
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ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter ORIGINAL: GMMAT NO DISadvantage.....ONLY ADvantages. I saw that and had a good Laugh. I needed that!:D Dan |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
Gosh.. their are WAY to many Bow"techers" on this site these days.
I blame the likes of Greg from Missoura and that Matt from Penn state.[:'(] I'm gonna call you gents all "Techies". You guys need a good leader.. the "treckies" have captain Kirk.. who's your fearless leader..Techie.[8D] |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
ORIGINAL: dukemichaels Gosh.. their are WAY to many Bow"techers" on this site these days. I blame the likes of Greg from Missoura and that Matt from Penn state.[:'(] I'm gonna call you gents all "Techies". You guys need a good leader.. the "treckies" have captain Kirk.. who's your fearless leader..Techie.[8D] ROSS Rules and Bowtech's Drool Sorry Duke I stoled your line[8D] |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
ORIGINAL: dukemichaels Gosh.. their are WAY to many Bow"techers" on this site these days. I blame the likes of Greg from Missoura and that Matt from Penn state.[:'(] I'm gonna call you gents all "Techies". You guys need a good leader.. the "treckies" have captain Kirk.. who's your fearless leader..Techie.[8D] |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
Right now it just happens to be Bowtech . Damn Techies. |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
ORIGINAL: Brett/IL ORIGINAL: dukemichaels Gosh.. their are WAY to many Bow"techers" on this site these days. I blame the likes of Greg from Missoura and that Matt from Penn state.[:'(] I'm gonna call you gents all "Techies". You guys need a good leader.. the "treckies" have captain Kirk.. who's your fearless leader..Techie.[8D] |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: SwampCollie Half you boys who swear you can shoot 70#s and draw it all day like its nothing at all know for a fact, or at least are too proud to admit, that you couldn't sit on a park bench, pick your feet up off the ground and draw your bow without leaning back. I know there are folks on here that can do it, I'm sure... and it depends entirely on your bow, but with these new hyper aggressive cams, no way jack. You can probably do it with your Mathews, but you aren't shooting no 320s with your Mathews either, unless you have a draw length like Randy Johnson. I can do that any day of the week.....and twice on Sundays..........with a 100lb bow.;) You also must remember that even though folks live in areas where there are only medium sized game (Whitetails) a lot of folks here have, or will travel to other parts of the country and hunt much bigger game, I know I have. What's wrong with wanting to put as much KE and arrow mass down range...especially if you can physically do it with no problem? Will a 60lb bow kill just as good as a 70lb? that's debatable, I believe in certain circumstances the 60lb might be lacking. At some point it has to. Will it ever be substantial enough to make a difference in real world hunting situations? I don't know, but why should I give Mr. Murphy a chance when I don't have to?  |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
ORIGINAL: Brett/IL ORIGINAL: dukemichaels Gosh.. their are WAY to many Bow"techers" on this site these days. I blame the likes of Greg from Missoura and that Matt from Penn state.[:'(] I'm gonna call you gents all "Techies". You guys need a good leader.. the "treckies" have captain Kirk.. who's your fearless leader..Techie.[8D] |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
Then I'll ask again......why don't you go all "stealth Ninja", Don and shoot 40#'s?:D
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RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
Man all this thread has done is made me confused on what limbs i should get on my new bow. I don't know what to do now.
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RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
ORIGINAL: GMMAT Then I'll ask again......why don't you go all "stealth Ninja", Don and shoot 40#'s?:D |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
ORIGINAL: MOhunter46 Man all this thread has done is made me confused on what limbs i should get on my new bow. I don't know what to do now. |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
ORIGINAL: dukemichaels Right now it just happens to be Bowtech . Damn Techies. P.S. Love your sig.! |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier ORIGINAL: MOhunter46 Man all this thread has done is made me confused on what limbs i should get on my new bow. I don't know what to do now. |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: Brett/IL ORIGINAL: dukemichaels Gosh.. their are WAY to many Bow"techers" on this site these days. I blame the likes of Greg from Missoura and that Matt from Penn state.[:'(] I'm gonna call you gents all "Techies". You guys need a good leader.. the "treckies" have captain Kirk.. who's your fearless leader..Techie.[8D] Idon't know what to tell you. There has always been a bunch of us here who enjoy shooting the best bow on the market. Right now itjust happens to be Bowtech ;). |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
Don...Cmon...
You've haven't hunted in NM (Didn't even know you were moving there when you got it) and you don't live in Iowa anymore. What's your experience with them Alaskan Brown Bears? I didn't now you revolved your setups around such. Again....This ain't about me.....or NC's deer.....though you didn't miss a good opportunity to put something else down. Don ......"Iowa" and "Our deer" don't go together anymore.;) So......if 40#'s will get it done....and it's legal.....why the overkill with 60? |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
Possibly because alot of todays bows with draw lengths suitable for archers with longer draw weights don't come with 40# limbs. Granted, one should shoot whatever they are comfortable with, but to try and portray that their is a major downside to either is stretching it. There are pro's and con's for both.
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wow, who'd've thought all this could come out of a single suggestion huh?
Glad I don't have a harsh draw cycle problem with my silky smooth. btw- if your Vette has an "OD" button, it's no longer a sports car. ;) |
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I hear ya Hoyt...
I mean....who would wanna drive a vette, anyways.......when the Camaro will ge tyou there with better gas mileage??? :D |
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Jeff, You have hunted two years with a bow now and you are going to educate me on what I need for poundage in a bow?? I have shot 70# bows for 20 more years than you have bowhunted and I have bowhunted for 30 years. These forums have taught me about the needed kinetic energy for killing animals and watching myself as a kid and my own kid and wife kill deer and bears withlight poundage setups, leads me tobelieve that I know what I am talking about.While you were at homewatching Vanna on Wheel of Fortune and wanting to buy a vowel, I was out doingit. Remember Jeff, two years as a bowhunter doesn't make you the guru on what poundage I need.
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Hey Don.....whoa, man...I'm not telling you anything. I'm asking you some questions.
You don't have to answer, though;) But....true to form....you've managed to denegrate someone else in record time. Heeeeeeeee's Back!:D Let me ask you though, Don.....My 60# bow will absolutely smoke yours. Should I shoot mine at 50#'s......just because it's "overkill"? Teach me. |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
If I can get the same KE at 60 that I'm getting at 72, I'd shoot 60.
I'm shooting an older bow and won't reduce my draw weight unless my back surgery makes me reduce my weight or I can find a new one that produces the KE I want at alower poundage. |
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I thought you were going trad this year anyway, Jeff?
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT denegrate |
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I thought you were going trad this year anyway, Jeff? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I thought you were going trad this year anyway, Jeff? |
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Are you ganna stick a Rage on the other end of the cedar?:D
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No...I spelled it incorrectly....but I meant Denigrate.
So anwer my question.....instead of continuing to denigrate (which has ALWAYS been your M.O. when faced with anyone who disagrees with your POV). Should we all just shoot the minimum KE required? What's wrong with overkill? If a camaro's good .....isn't a corvette "great"? |
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Ok lets relate this to the vette imo....
60lbs on an 82nd Airborne- Youve got a 2008 Chevy Corvette pushing 430HP And 424ft lbs. of torque Starting @ $43,000 70lbs on an 82nd Airborne- YOuve got a 2008 chevy Corvette ZO6 pushing 505HP and 470ft. lbs. of torque Starting @ $72,000 Youve got all the power your ever gonna need in a standard coupe(60lb), but if you got the money and can handle the power(draw cycle) then go for the ZO6. And of course you think you can handle the power until you wrap it around a tree or have a shoulder replacement.;) Ive yet to see a bow that we can compare the NEW 2009 Chevy Corvette ZR1 that will be pushing OVER 600HP!! From the factory! Come on Bowtech!! |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
Answer: Shoot as quiet as bow as you can with the required kinetic energy plus a little extra. Low poundage bows are quieter and quiet is more of a virtue than kinetic energy overkill.Jeff, are you going to ever hunt anything bigger than a NC small bodied fragile whitetail?
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Jeff, are you going to ever hunt anything bigger than a NC small bodied fragile whitetail? What....in God's name.....is your motive for putting down the animals a man hunts? What could be your agenda? Answerme that. I'm curious. And for the record....I'll likely hunt 4 states in '08. |
RE: Running your Corvette in O/D
He drives a Ford;):D
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