NOW, thats just stereotypicall all the way hee hee!

Sometimes stereotypes are a jaded reflection of the truth....

lol that may be true

Did you ever stop to think that moving them off the list of endangered; meant that they were no longer endangered?

Deer were endangered in the 1930s.

If the herd/pack is healthy, a season would actually do it some good. Over population is bad and leads to disease. And if an outbreak got bad enough, is when we’d have to worry about wolves going back on the endangered list or going extinct. There are many options regarding seasons and bag limits. A lottery for example would give the state the option of deciding exactly how many wolves could be killed.
KP

I think wolves need to be hunted for 2 reasons 1st to control their numbers and 2nd to keep their fear of man.look at whats happening with lions and bears,they are coming into populated areas and increasing in numbers of attacks and damage.I will agree that the biggest problem is human growth but I'm afraid thats not going to stop.They don't just kill the weak they kill when they get hungry.I talked to wildlife people last week from WY and Alberta and they both have problems with wolves

(going off subject here about deer as we have no wolves)
Thats why we have gamekeepers hereto manage deer herds and proves to be the best method. Its been done here for many years and i know many states are trying to introduce this method of control.

Instead of killing all the big nice looking bucks here we also pick off he old and weak so that our deer stay strong.

Im not sure if its like that all over the US but with the way people are, trophy hunting seems to be most popular.

I think that before a hunting season for wolves, deer, elk, whatever game animal is approved there has to be exhaustive studies done to be sure that the population can handle hunting, and in some cases is in need of hunting. I eluded to this on the other wolf thread, but here in PA the elk population was brought to the brink of extinction by overhunting. For that reason, hunting of elk inPA was banned for many years. During that time the population thrived and flourished to a level that would permit hunting. The state has instituted a lottery system whereby you may hunt elk if you apply and are selected. The hunt is very controlled and the number of hunters permitted to hunt is divided into zones and by sex of the animal to ensure the population is not again endangered by the hunting practice. Because of this careful control the elk population in this state has continued to grow and with it the number of hunters allowed to hunt them. This has been a great success story (one of the few) for PA's management of game.

With that said if the same care was taken with these proposed timber wolf hunts in WI the wolf population would never be in danger and in fact should continue to grow as the elk population in PA has.

What you folks from across the pond may or may not understand is that America has not had the benefit of centuries of culture to look back on and realize that change can be and many times is for the better. We are like a skinny boy that had a huge growth spurt and grew into a brawny man. Yes, we are big, but in many cases we are still adapting to the rapid growth we experienced from the 1940's to now. That, coupled with the liberal majority in some states makes it so that you have to be very careful what you vote for, because once it is instituted it is difficult to change. We cling to tradition like a child to its security blanket. So to say an unequivocal "no" to any kind of hunting would be detrimental to our hunting privelege.

A perfect example of that is in NJ, where they have a staggering bear population in the northern part of the state. The population of humans is also very high in that area resulting in many bear/human conflicts. Despite the overpopulation of bears and the lack of available habitat for them, and the trouble and damage that results hunting has not been allowed for bears except for a handful of times because it had been outlawed in the past. Each time a bear season comes along it is subject to cancellation up until midnight of the opener and has been cancelled in the 11th hour on more than one occassion.

So, while it may seem that we are being unreasonable, and in some cases are unreasonable, it is only because we have to defend our hunting privelege at every turn. If we don't, we are one step closer to giving it up forever.

By saying hunting season, i dont think they mean go out and shoot every single last one of them.There will only be a certain number of tags allotted, with many biologist monitoring every step of the way. Not sure why you think they'll go extinct.

I have to say I only posted the messages for this reason only, to get the ball rolling....
I just saw too many younger people here on HNI vote yes without looking at the consequences.....
I'm glad some of the more experienced hunters got involved in the discussion....
Getting a legal hunt on wolveswith a biological inputsounds like whaling for scientifical purposes and than getting rich on selling their meat.........
I still think the wolves for the better part should stay on the list, untill it becomes a problem I hear you say.....but this natural balance thingupsets very easy and getting it back into balance isn't one of our talents I've noticed.....

Thx for the input everyone, I try to learn something everytime here on HNI.....

Frank

Interesting Frank. Do you know the history of the wolf in your own country?

There is quit a bit of history of the wolf in Europe. During the first century they roamed in packsof thousands.

Why is it that this animal gets people so emotional? I mean it's an animal that ripes and tears other creatures apart. Seems kind of odd that it would be so loved. Not like animals that don't bother other things, I could see that.

For the record I have no love for it, it's a wild dog in my eyes. Nothing personal in their eyes, it's the way they are. Nothing personal in my eyes. I just don't trust an animal that will attack me from behind and kill me and mine. Just the way I am and yes there's plenty of proof they have and will contray to the claims otherwise.