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What is the toughest, sharpest, deadliest, best shooting, best blood trail making broadhead on the market today? A real killer, that makes you say "OMG look at the hole", "look at the blood trail". Come on guys what are some killer broadheads...

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There are a # of good ones and bad ones, but for me and my house will worship the Muzzy!!!!

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After seeing some of the holes these guys made with Rage 2 blades. I'll buy a couple packs to play with!

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I'd have to agree. Although I've never tried them, all the reviews and photos of the rage look pretty harsh.

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This gets my vote also, and the Rocket Hammerhead does a good job too. But the Rage is a much better built head with more durable blades.

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I have never shot one so my opinion may not count, however the rage kinda look flimsy dont you think? To me it seems the blades might be too thin. Again i have never shot them, this is just my observation..

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Hands down....I've never seen anything like the damage the Rage heads can inflict.

I actually deleted some of my pictures of the carnage......because I didn't think anyone would believe me. They are absolutely destructive.

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I used Muzzy for years and they are still a big seller simply because of price. NAP has always made a quality head and have been good sellers as well. G5 especially the Strikers are a solid performing and good selling head also.I have played with, shot, and hunted with numerous mechanicals, butone failure was too many and 2 sealed the deal. I won't go there anymore on anything bigger than a Turkey. If you are looking for great flight, toughness, blade sharpness, massive holes, and excellent blood trails. It is hard to find a head better than a Slick Trick. I can't wait to try out the new GrizzTrick next fall it should be Awesome!:D

Dan

Dan

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Mech: Rage 2 blade or Rocky Mt. Gator XP.

Fixed: Even without shooting one, the new G5 Striker 1.5" in a 3 blade, and that new bigger Slick Trick 4 blade would be hard to beat for every category based upon their smaller offerings.

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The only thing about the Rage is the price, then if you damage a blade the cost of replacement blades is outragious. I can get my Muzzy MX-4's for the almost the same price as just the replacement blades for the rage. Than only reason I went with the Muzzy MX-4 over the slick tricks this past year is because Muzzy has practice blades. But man them Rage sure have sold like hot cakes and I have had more good things about them than any other broadhead.

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I would go with the Rage 2 blades. Yesterday I went to go hunt some rabbit with one i used to sight in my crossbow, and tagged a rabbit at 24yards darn near cut the thing in half!

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Where is the love for time tested Muzzy's?? Man, am I the only one that stil shoots the original 4 blade bone crushers???!!!!!!

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I don't shoot mech's but for a fixed blade...G5 Strikers...nevershot anything that compared in a fixed blade.

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Your pictures and allot of the other ones I've seen do not lie Jeff, they leave mammoth holes! I'm not a mechanical head guy, I'm more of a Cut On Contact Broadhead person. I shoot the 3 blade Magnus Snuffer which leaves incredible bloodtrails as well. By shooting the BH I stated I think you get the best of both worlds with excellent bloodtrails and a bone breaking durable head and its also very affordable. You can buy 6 heads for under 30.00 bucks. Good luck on your choice, there's more good BH's out there now then ever before I think.

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Dont get me wrong, this thread was started for mechanicals and fixed, not one or the other. I am talking about both..

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And where does it say that?

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The Rage head has a COC blade at the point.....and the blades deploy so that the entrance hole is as large as the exit. I've actually found the entrance holes to be QUITE larger than the exit holes....if the animal is quartering ANY. Quartering a LOT....and the hole is absolutely massive (Sometimes 5-6").

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I have shot dozens of deer with Thunderheads and dead is dead no need for any thing different for me.

As fora fewof these guys, I don't think a blade is made that would help, some of thesegreat white hunterscouldn't track a heart shot hippo in a snow storm or for that fact find a dead fly in the bottom of a shot glass!

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That was in your reference to Kyle. Just giving you a hard time.;)

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Figured that, lol

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I'm not disagreeing with you GMMAT. I just praised your BH by the hole they leave in my other post! They are 2 completely different heads. Mines a COC fixed blade, yours is mechanical with a COC tip!

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I never really hear anything about the grim reapers,I watched their video and they seem to be a really good head, but I dont hear alot about them..

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I posted back in November that I had used the Rage on two deer and did not get a complete pass through on either one (however one was partial)and that I would stick with my Muzzy 3 blade.

I received a lot of responses that basically said either I was biased, uninformed, or had a poor set up.

Well, I certainly wasn't biased or uninformed or I would have never tried them in the first place. My appeal to use them was due the great blood trail I heard they left. But as we all know, a good blood trail starts with a complete pass through.

So I checked my bow set up and made sure I was tuned properly. Everything was okay, but I was only producing about 60# KE, as I reduce my bow poundageafter elkseason. But all info I had indicated that 60#KE was more than sufficient.

So being open minded, I shot a third deer with the Rage, with the results being another partial pass through.


In fairness, it was not too good a shot as it was a livershot. Because it was not a complete pass through, I did not pick up the blood trail for about 175 yards, but once I did, I couldn't believe the amount of blood for the next 100 or so yards where I found my deer.

While I think I would have had a better start of trailing with a complete pass through with a fixed, I doubt I would have had this good of a blood trail and it would have been a much more difficult trailing job, so the Rage probably paid off even on a partial pass through in this incident.

It is also noteworthy that I have shot other deer both before and after these instances with the exact same set up and got all complete pass thoughs with the Muzzy 3 blade.

Maybe it takes more than 61#KE toconsistently get a pass through, maybe it has to do with the size of the deer as all three of mine were pretty big, maybe it is all me, I don't know.

So I am still a little suspect at least for my situation, although still open minded due to all the success stories I have heard from other hunters. I plan on trying the Rage on a limited basis again this fall, but with an increase in KE before doing so.

My comfort zone today still rests with the Muzzy 3 blade fixed.

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Hey Jack....I won't make any statements but simply ask.....

Is your bow in tune? Reason I ask is.....if you're getting any tail on your arrow....that KE # could be way off.

Just a thought.

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Hey Jeff, (or anybody else that shoots rage for that matter) do you ever fear your blades will open while in flight?

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I like Two.

Rage 2 blade's are nasty! i killed my deer with one and plan on using them again next year.

And my next choice is gonna be the G5 Striker, they are the sharpest blades ive ever felt and fly great, i have 4 heads to practice with and two brand new packs waiting on next season.

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Never had a reason to think they did or would. No. I don't worry about it.

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The deer I got with the 2-blade Rage wasn't a complete pass thru either but the entry hole was huge, the far side hit near the leg/shoulder hence no pass thru. The blood trail was there but sparse dueto the lack of a low exit hole. I must say that the meat on the far shoulder was ruined, it looked like one big hematoma(bloody mess)

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Can't believe nobody has said NAP Spitfires...so I will say it. Awesome mechanical!! Never not had a pass thru!

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Are you saying that even though the calculation from the chronograph (470gr @243fps)indicates 61# that I might not be getting that much on impact if out of tune?

If that is what you are asking, yes I have paper tuned with 125 gr, but I didn't re-tune with the Rage(100gr). So maybe thats something I need to verify.

I did shoot both weight arrows through the chronograph and was surprised to find the KE stayed basically the same. (445gr @248fps)

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i love my muzzys

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i've had good success with muzzy 3 blades, but am looking to go to mx-3 or mx-4, when I next need to buy new ones. sometimes I'd like a little more blood trail than I've gotten at times. I've also heard good things about slick tricks, but I'll probably try the muzzy's first.

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I'm no bow techie......but I'm thinking of this, logically.

If I were going to try to throw a spear through an animal.....I'd have a better chance if the spear were traveling on a straight line. If the spear gets sideways at all.....it's going to have a tougher time going through (more friction with lateral movement).

I have no idea of the technical terminology....but I think you get my drift (hope).

If your arrow is tailing....you aren't getting the full benefit of your KE calculations.

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Kinda like throwing a spear sideways at an animal...it will just bounce off.

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25grains off of the front would make it "stiffer" and probably not so much that the fletching could not correct it within 10 yds if not faster. It certainly wouldn't be flying sideways.

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Another thing people don't usually consider........we don't shoot animals at a distance of 3ft where that calculation comes from.
The average arrow loses around 3-4ft lbs of KEby the time it reaches20yards

Approx 58# of KE isn't what I would consider in my mind a consistently adequate energy level to expect full passthru with a head carrying a 2" cutting diameter regardless of method of opening. That's a wide blade set to push.

Then IF you have any issues with arrow tune and arrows not flying straight you are robbing precious energy from an already marginal set up.

mid to high 50# KE levels and only 240's speed would be better served IMO by a different head entirely if consistent pass thrus are your goal.

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Never implied such, Bruce. But ANY sideways would throw off KE calcs.

I can assure you my bow's shot arrows......(OK...my old bow has) that were tailing WAY past 10yds.

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It was an analogy

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Well, he said he did the calculations with measured speeds through a chrono and they were the same.


What your arrows did is irrelevent to his actual measurements and calculations.