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Germ 01-22-2008 08:27 PM

To Add to Atlas Thread/Direction for your state
 
What do YOU think is the right direction for your state as a whole.

Remember not just the area you hunt.

Here is my number 1
1 manage the state in 4 different zones atleast
UP, NLP, CLP, SLP I would like to see more, but that is a start.


MNpurple 01-22-2008 08:39 PM

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Two things for MN I would like to see...

MN's gun season falls right in the middle of the rut. I like to see the gun season bumped back a week or two, just so that the bucks are not taken advantage of at their very most vulnerable time.

Outdoors in general, I'd like see MN FINALLY pass a dedicated natural resources funding bill for clean water, habitat, preservation, etc....similiar to what Missouri uses. This idea has been locked up in the legislature for years, and while our elected officials continue to argue, bicker and point fingers, our natural resources continue to suffer. MN COULD have some of the very best in the country if we would put some money into it.

Rob/PA Bowyer 01-22-2008 08:42 PM

RE: To Add to Atlas Thread/Direction for your state
 
PA, 4 point rule across the state. Micromanage doe permits.



dukemichaels 01-22-2008 08:46 PM

RE: To Add to Atlas Thread/Direction for your state
 
Illinois.

This one's easy.

GET RID OF "GAY"ROD BLAGOHEVICH!!!

and force outfitters to take many more doe's.

TeeJay 01-22-2008 08:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: MNpurple

MN's gun season falls right in the middle of the rut. I like to see the gun season bumped back a week or two, just so that the bucks are not taken advantage of at their very most vulnerable time.

.
Beat me to it!

Washington Hunter 01-22-2008 08:49 PM

RE: To Add to Atlas Thread/Direction for your state
 
Allow thetaking ofmultiple deer without making it necessary to draw a second antlerless only tag.

Whether its through an earn-a-buck system or just allowing us to tag multiple deer, we need it.







JNTURK 01-22-2008 08:59 PM

RE: To Add to Atlas Thread/Direction for your state
 
better management of our herd as a whole....currently we have no doe tags and, i feel too many buck tags allowed. i would like to have an archery season during our rut (all season except for special draws - hard to draw zones - end before the rut) ... currently our great Govenor...sir actor himself...is cutting jobs state wide and our F&G is going to be hit with about a 10% decrease in funding...thus cutting about 28-34 jobs in our F&G department......not that it is not bad already.......

gzg38b 01-22-2008 08:59 PM

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Michigan -

Limit of one buck per season. The "restricted" tag has to go (a buck must have at least 4 points on one side to use the restricted tag under current rules).

All it does is encourage hunters to shoot small, young bucks. After all, if a nice buck comes by later, I still have my restricted tag!

Our buck to doe ratio is ridiculously out of whack. The restricted tag is the reason why. If we only had one buck tag, hunters would start being more selective and letting some young bucks grow up. And if they wanted meat, they'd shoot more does which is exactly what we need in many areas of the state.

Down with the "Restricted" Tag!!!!

MN/Kyle 01-22-2008 09:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: TeeJay


ORIGINAL: MNpurple

MN's gun season falls right in the middle of the rut. I like to see the gun season bumped back a week or two, just so that the bucks are not taken advantage of at their very most vulnerable time.

.
Beat me to it!
you beat me to it too.

HuntingBry 01-22-2008 09:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer

PA, 4 point rule across the state. Micromanage doe permits.
WORD!!!:D Also, smaller WMUs to better manage the public land so that it doesn't get smashed while trying to get deer off of the private tracts. Rob may have meant that by micromanaging the does, but I'm not sure.

I'd also like to see archery season (bucks and does) open 2 weeks earlier so we could try to use feeding patterns.

Hoytail Hunter 01-22-2008 09:55 PM

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I don't think us Wisconsinites really have anything to "complain" about. For the most part, I'm not unhappy with any of the governing rules set forth. The only things I can think of that might make it even better is to first condense the 133 DMU's(deer management units) into a smaller number. Sometimes you can go as little as 5-10 miles andmight notrealize that you're in a totally different DMU that you don't have a tag for.

The only other thing would be doing something about this CWD(chronic wasting disease) scare that's put alot of once prime areas on ice now. The DNR's tried everything they can for about a decade now and results aren't being had. I don't know what to do about the CWD problem but I do know that spending 30 plus millionin the last decade and doing pretty much the same things over and over but expecting different results is not all that smart.

atlasman 01-22-2008 10:34 PM

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At the very least.

Ease off the does......1 per year and no transfer of tags (the single most idiotic "idea" that has caused the practice of shooting something just because "someone" has a tag now common practice for gangs piling out of trucks and driving the woods and killing everything that moves.......when the smoke clears they figure out how many tags they need to come up with.)

There really is no need for anyone to shoot more then 1 buck a year. This way you can still shoot whatever you want......and if you choose to wait you may actually see something after opening day of gun. Everyone wins.

Get gun season out of the freakin rut for god's sake.

Start bow a little earlier.........not a lot.......just a week or two.

Either get rid of muzzleloader season or put it somewhere viable........right now it is useless and thrown in just to shut people up IMO.

There is no need to have a 3 week shotgun season.........unless you are trying to slaughter them instead of manage them.


Do.............SOMETHING that makes me think even for one second that you have hunter interests above last on your list.

Schultzy 01-22-2008 10:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle


ORIGINAL: TeeJay


ORIGINAL: MNpurple

MN's gun season falls right in the middle of the rut. I like to see the gun season bumped back a week or two, just so that the bucks are not taken advantage of at their very most vulnerable time.

.
Beat me to it!
you beat me to it too.
x4!!!

rybohunter 01-23-2008 04:43 AM

RE: To Add to Atlas Thread/Direction for your state
 
Merge the Fish commision & game commission into one organization.

4 pt AR across the state

Allow sunday hunting

Smaller management units(currently we have 22) Would probably to better with almost double that.

Extend archery season

Increase the severity of poaching crimes, and then actually enforce them.

nodog 01-23-2008 04:47 AM

RE: To Add to Atlas Thread/Direction for your state
 
Phone check in. This state requires you check it in whole and in the county or adjacent. What a pain. I don't even know where they are away form home. Getting out of the woods late and trying to find a place is stupid and a huge waste of time and money these days.

GMMAT 01-23-2008 05:13 AM

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I think our state's on the right track with the new unlimited does on private lands law (restricted). The new urban archery season is going to make a difference, too.

I'd say we're talking and they're listening.

Cougar Mag 01-23-2008 05:49 AM

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In Illinois:
make it mandatory that all of the money spent by sportsman goes to the DNR and not siphoned off into the general fund. By doing so maybe a little extra money can be put into a fund for adding more public land here and there.




twildasin 01-23-2008 05:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer

PA, 4 point rule across the state. Micromanage doe permits.
I agree definatly we have got to stop shooting so many does up North.

farmcntry 01-23-2008 05:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: GMMAT

I think our state's on the right track with the new unlimited does on private lands law (restricted). The new urban archery season is going to make a difference, too.

I'd say we're talking and they're listening.
I'd add that the entire state should go to a 2 buck maximum. Those east coasters get 4 bucks per year. IMO, that's excessive.

CCPaHunter 01-23-2008 05:53 AM

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What Rob said, plain and simple.

huntingson 01-23-2008 07:02 AM

RE: To Add to Atlas Thread/Direction for your state
 

ORIGINAL: nodog

Phone check in. This state requires you check it in whole and in the county or adjacent. What a pain. I don't even know where they are away form home. Getting out of the woods late and trying to find a place is stupid and a huge waste of time and money these days.
Terrible idea, IMO. A phone in would lead to people not checking in at all. The whole deer is a pain when you can't quarter it to get it out. All the check in stations are listed in the regs book, so you don't have to know where they are. You also do not have to check them in until the next day, so I don't understand the problem there either.

I honestly feel like Ohio does a pretty good job managing its herd. Especially with the new antlerless bonus tags for archery season. I do not like the extra gun season weekend though, but at least it is post rut.

Now Indiana, that is a state that is all screwed up. Gun season during the rut, followed directly by muzzleloader season. 3 solid weeks of some sort of gun season. Then they complain about the lack of big bucks and license sales going down[:-] Then in the late season, there is just a week where you can't hunt at all. What the heck is that all about?

WVSPORTSMAN 01-23-2008 07:13 AM

RE: To Add to Atlas Thread/Direction for your state
 
WV...MORE BOW ONLY COUNTIES OR AT LEAST HAVE REVOLVING SEASONS. I THINK GUN SEASON SHOULDN'T BE DURING THE RUT! I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE BOW SEASON GET SHORTER AS WELL. LOWER HUNTING LICENSES. THEY UPED THE FEE BY x2. including all extra stamps. IT'S HARD TO PRACTICE DOE MANAGEMENT WHEN IT COSTS $20A TAG. I KNOW WV IS DOING MORE THAN JUST ABOUT ANYONE ON CWD, BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD OPEN UP UNLIMITED, YEAR AROUND HUNTING SEASON IN THE ONLY COUNTY THE DISEASE HAS BEEN FOUND IN, FOR THREE YEARS. THE DEER HERD WOULD REBOUND OVER TIME IN THOSE AREAS. MORE DNR, I THINK IT'S ONE PER COUNTY NOW, WITH 1-2 ASSISTANTS. THAT'S JUST TOO LOW. MORE PROTECTED LAND. MORE WMA'S AND THE ANTLER RULES THAT COME WITH THEM. ...JUST MY THOUGHTS.

Buck Magnet 01-23-2008 07:19 AM

RE: To Add to Atlas Thread/Direction for your state
 
4pt antler restriction statewide
re-vamp the antlerless tag allocation (alot of areas arent having enough effect yet while some are getting hit too hard)
More enforcement on the laws
Try to open more land for hunters to use
CRACK DOWN ON TRESSPASSERS
Get an accurate harvest data system in place (check stations)


HuntingBry 01-23-2008 07:34 AM

RE: To Add to Atlas Thread/Direction for your state
 
Merge the Fish commision & game commission into one organization. Great idea

4 pt AR across the state Agree

Allow sunday hunting Love it

Smaller management units(currently we have 22) Would probably to better with almost double that. Yes

Extend archery season Do it

Increase the severity of poaching crimes, and then actually enforce them. Now you're dreaming;)

HuntinGUS 01-23-2008 07:52 AM

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WV has some unique challenges imo. I'd like to see:

Max of a 2 buck limit in selected counties. One buck in all others. Perhaps an earn a buck system.

Extend Bow season by starting in Sept and ending in Jan.

Add Sunday Hunting Statewide.

Add an early ML season.

Lower the cost of Resident license and tags.







MC Bowhunter 01-23-2008 08:00 AM

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Point restriction of some sort. To many young deer getting shot in our state. Get rid of the rifles and go to shotgun only for the gun season. Shorten the gun season back to 1 week instead of the 2 week season they now give them.

Darrall

peakrut 01-23-2008 08:33 AM

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You better believe it you guys are getting screwed by this man.
As for Wisconsin I would like to see issues based by county not zones as we have so many. Here in my county of Kenosha one deer has tested positive for CWD and that I believe was back in 2003 and now
we are continuing to be lumped in with all CWD units.

ORIGINAL: dukemichaels

Illinois.

This one's easy.

GET RID OF "GAY"ROD BLAGOHEVICH!!!

and force outfitters to take many more doe's.

WakeCow 01-23-2008 09:57 AM

RE: To Add to Atlas Thread/Direction for your state
 

ORIGINAL: Schultzy


ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle


ORIGINAL: TeeJay


ORIGINAL: MNpurple

MN's gun season falls right in the middle of the rut. I like to see the gun season bumped back a week or two, just so that the bucks are not taken advantage of at their very most vulnerable time.

.
Beat me to it!
you beat me to it too.
x4!!!
x5!!! I would also like to see party hunting done away with.

Charlie P 01-23-2008 10:00 AM

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I'll never be in favor of a AR in NY. Would much rather see a one buck rule, that way your not pushing your views on another hunter as far what's a worthy buck.

I would love to see a longer late season.

Does? Well I thnk they need to find a way to get a natural balence in the herd,I belive the one buck rule would help. I don't see a problem with mutiple doe permits in my area.

Gundeck 01-23-2008 10:15 AM

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Definitely a longer late archery season.

Sliverflicker 01-23-2008 11:18 AM

RE: To Add to Atlas Thread/Direction for your state
 

ORIGINAL: Germ

What do YOU think is the right direction for your state as a whole.

Remember not just the area you hunt.

Here is my number 1
1 manage the state in 4 different zones atleast
UP, NLP, CLP, SLP I would like to see more, but that is a start.
Like you said, this would be a start. However Since Im wishing, I would like it to be by county, But that means someone from the DNR might have to get out of their truck from time to time and get their boots muddy.
As long as the insurance and AG people Cry the loudest, we will have a hard time getting anything we want, even though we pay the bills.

So I give up, We are moving back to Kansas this year,Where the Buffalo roam, and the Deer and the Antelope play! The son in law seen 6 bucks the other day, I wont tell you how big they were. :D

Germ 01-23-2008 11:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker


ORIGINAL: Germ

What do YOU think is the right direction for your state as a whole.

Remember not just the area you hunt.

Here is my number 1
1 manage the state in 4 different zones atleast
UP, NLP, CLP, SLP I would like to see more, but that is a start.
Like you said, this would be a start. However Since Im wishing, I would like it to be by county, But that means someone from the DNR might have to get out of their truck from time to time and get their boots muddy.
As long as the insurance and AG people Cry the loudest, we will have a hard time getting anything we want, even though we pay the bills.

So I give up, We are moving back to Kansas this year,Where the Buffalo roam, and the Deer and the Antelope play! The son in law seen 6 bucks the other day, I wont tell you how big they were. :D
You have always been my favorite member from MI[8D]

Wiaxle 01-23-2008 11:35 AM

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Wisconsin

I would like to see at least one season (next?) that will not have earn-a-buck implemented.....

I like to see deer when I go out hunting, and, assuming I recall this correctly, a 25 deer per square mile population, will mean if you have 40 acres you should have about 1.5 deer on your property....

Splitear_Leland 01-23-2008 11:38 AM

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I believe Illinois should start making it a lot more difficult for outfitters to operate in such mass quantities. This will help in-state hunters, and better management of the deer herd. As far as the state as whole, split it up into a northern region and a southern region and create regulations accordingly. Anyone from Southern Illinois knows that once you get north of I-70 it's a whole different state.

gplant 01-23-2008 11:55 AM

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Mich - One buck tag or Earn a Tag.DNR would have to get out and get soild herd numbers in eachCOUNTY and set its tag numbers to the herd numbers.In 5 years we should see results then adjust tag numbers as needed to keep on track.Will Mich(state gov)ever do anything right for our deer herd. NO!![:@]

nodog 01-23-2008 02:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: huntingson


ORIGINAL: nodog

Phone check in. This state requires you check it in whole and in the county or adjacent. What a pain. I don't even know where they are away form home. Getting out of the woods late and trying to find a place is stupid and a huge waste of time and money these days.
Terrible idea, IMO. A phone in would lead to people not checking in at all. The whole deer is a pain when you can't quarter it to get it out. All the check in stations are listed in the regs book, so you don't have to know where they are. You also do not have to check them in until the next day, so I don't understand the problem there either.

I honestly feel like Ohio does a pretty good job managing its herd. Especially with the new antlerless bonus tags for archery season. I do not like the extra gun season weekend though, but at least it is post rut.
I agree Ohio does a good job, but disagree with your comments on call in. First off it only hurts the law abiding. The lawless won’t check them in anyways. Secondly they maybe listed but how often do you think to check and even if you do, can you find them after dark in a strange place? I hunted a new place recently and as I sat there the thought came to me, crap I forgot to see where I can check one in if I get one (I didn't bring the regs with me). The thought of coming back the next day just to check the thing in was at that time the only answer. I was 80 miles from home. That's the problem and as it was I got turned around and ended up going the wrong direction for about 20 miles. It was blowing a gale, cold and raining, pitch black out. I was relieved some what that I didn't get one. Phone in I wouldn't have cared.

Punish the lawless. Va. has a phone in and it is beautiful. Poachers do get busted. You punch your license when you get one so that if you get stoppedthere's proof your not some poacher and you have a day to phone it in when you get back to where yourstaying, comfortable and warm. They can even be quartered on the spot and taken out easy as you please.


PreacherTony 01-23-2008 02:23 PM

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New York

I would like to see an antler restriction of 4 points on at least one side or better ...... I'm telling you .... NY is a sleeper ....

Germ 01-23-2008 02:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

New York

I would like to see an antler restriction of 4 points on at least one side or better ...... I'm telling you .... NY is a sleeper ....
PT

Follow Atlas post to a tee and you'll be there;)

A gun season in the Rut and three weeks long is worst than MI[&:]

PreacherTony 01-23-2008 02:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: Germ


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

New York

I would like to see an antler restriction of 4 points on at least one side or better ...... I'm telling you .... NY is a sleeper ....
PT

Follow Atlas post to a tee and you'll be there;)

A gun season in the Rut and three weeks long is worst than MI[&:]
Il\'ll tell ya Gary, that's why most of us will shoot smaller, younger bucks .... cuz if we don't, someone else will ....... I used to own land that butted up (easy boy :D) to a hunting farmer that had an 8 point or better restriction on the 800 acres he owned ..... I have NEVER seen such monsters in my life .... to bad I only lived there for 3 years ....

huntingson 01-23-2008 02:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: nodog
I agree Ohio does a good job, but disagree with your comments on call in. First off it only hurts the law abiding. The lawless won’t check them in anyways. Secondly they maybe listed but how often do you think to check and even if you do, can you find them after dark in a strange place? I hunted a new place recently and as I sat there the thought came to me, crap I forgot to see where I can check one in if I get one (I didn't bring the regs with me). The thought of coming back the next day just to check the thing in was at that time the only answer. I was 80 miles from home. That's the problem and as it was I got turned around and ended up going the wrong direction for about 20 miles. It was blowing a gale, cold and raining, pitch black out. I was relieved some what that I didn't get one. Phone in I wouldn't have cared.

Punish the lawless. Va. has a phone in and it is beautiful. Poachers do get busted. You punch your license when you get one so that if you get stoppedthere's proof your not some poacher and you have a day to phone it in when you get back to where yourstaying, comfortable and warm. They can even be quartered on the spot and taken out easy as you please.
I definitely see your point about it only hurts the law abiders, but how do you have long term proof that the deer was legal? The metal tags now make it easy to have proof, or more importantly proof for the DNR to know that a deer was poached. I don't know, I just want it to be as easy as possible to catch a poacher.

Side note: they actually check on things. I shot my buck last year on my parent's farm and used a land owner tag. The DNR called and questioned my mom about it because they were trying to catch me having used that landowner tag for a deer I shot on my grandparents' farm which is next door. Seemed a bit nit-picky to me, but I wasn't against it. I was also impressed that the DNR knew I was related to the owners of both places.


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