Best 3D Rest???
 

I'm thinking no moving parts......the simpler the better?

What's a good 3D arrow rest? I'm going to end up with a 3D specific setup.

Thanks for your help.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

You CAN'T beat a Trophy Taker Spring Steel. They are kind of tried and true. Being the dumb lefty I am, I've been waiting on one forever![:@][:@]. I'm sure most of your 3D Gurus (Matt, Matt and TFOX) will agree :D.


I'm still stuck using this Alpine el' Cheapo drop away on my Open rig.[:'(]


Jeff, btw, I think I'm set as far as comming up Saturday. Not sure if you got my PM(s) or not. I was able to get ahold of my boss and talk to him about it, I'll be leaving here, after my basketball game. Hopefully.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

Personally ive got a ripcord and its an awesome rest and id reccomend it to anyone

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EVERY 3D guy I talk to says some kind of spring steel rest. The reason I get is that they are more reliable. I'm gonna argue that point to the bitter end. My Drop Zone has been 100% reliable, NEVER failed me. How much more reliable can a spring steel be??

Not to discredit those guys, they OBVIOUSLY know what they are talking about, but I would dearly love for someone to give me a better reason that "because that's what all the target guys use" or "because they are more reliable".......Neither one of those justifies my purchasing a new rest.

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I know mobow. We are talking not just the "average" weekend 3d shooter though. These are just simple and proven. The more reliable part is about all they have to them, the reason the big dogs use them is because, say your dropzone just happened to somehow screw up. It might be only one time, and you might not even notice it. One little flaw like that "could" cost someone a world title.

That's the only thing I can think of [8D]. I guess they know their stuff and everyone shooting on a national level is using them. Or atleast most.

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Ok, but what if your spring steel rest just happened to mess up, even if it's just ONE time......that could cost someone world title too. See, the more reliable bit just doesn't hold water for me.

I mean hell, if that's the ONLY reason folks use them.......I guess all the big buck hunters best shoot only those too. They only get one shot, maybe in a year or two.

I'm not arguing, by the way. I'm really just tryng to understand what makes a SS rest so much better for target shooting....I just don't see it.

See, and once again, the only 2 reasons you gave are, more reliabe, and everybody is using them. That's the only 2 I hear........I just don't understand is all.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

Same can be said about any rest though, in all honesty. Dropaway or not, %^$& happens and we as archers know about that more than just about anybody else.

Reliable is reliable, I'd have to agree with Mobow.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

matt,I will disagree,SLIGHTLY

I like the Pro Tuner,easier to adjust.

http://britesitetuner.com/Pro_Tuner_Rests/body_pro_tuner_rests.html


Mobo,reliability and simplicity are just a couple reasons.The reason you see more spring steel on the bows of the pros is due to forgiveness and guidance.The spring steel just provides more guidance which equates to forgiveness and does it while be very simple and easy to tune.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

I don't know why. I have NO reason for it. All I know is they are using them for a reason.


EDIT: TFOX, it's still the same concept, right?

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

The only reason "they" all use them is someone won with one. I agree 100% with mobow. Hitting exactly where you want is hitting where you want, the rest doesn't screw that up, the guy behind the bow does. My bow is not any more accurate or less accurate using a spring steel rest, dropaway, WB, etc....please. Just a while ago we had guys arguing that Vegas shoots have been won with WB and that's more critical and now we're being told we need a spring steel rest to win 3D, PLEASE![&:]

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They will not work for hunting,the spring steel has VERY LITTLE contact with the arrow(but still has the guidance) and the arrow could very easily fall off in a hunting situation but I would use it if I had to.I actually might in turkey season since my bow will be set up for target at that time.

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I REFUSE to agree that a Whisker Biscuit is just as accurate as a drop away, or spring steel, or prong rest.

You can't tell me at extended ranges, that this is

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fwTizMtvKwI&feature=related


is as accurate as this?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JlgEMXr5pDo


I'm not saying for hunting, I'm saying as in just being "target" archery accurate. I'm not wanting to hear "I can hold great groups out to 60yds with my Whisker biscuit and my Bear Whitetail 2." It's a great hunting rest, agreed. At extended ranges, there's no way it can be as accurate. I'm not talking the "average" person either.

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I really don't CARE which is more reliable. I asked for the no moving parts rest.

My fall-away has performed flawlessly.....and it has full containment. It's a great hunting rest....but NOT what I'm looking for in a rest on a bow set up STRICTLY for 3D.

Just my personal preference....and no other reason.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

Matt/TN, personally I don't care for the WB but explain then how those that will, will argue of it's accuracy and how it wins indoor shoots. If it's accurate at 20 yards to win tournaments, what in your education says it won't be accurate further down range?

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

Remind me when the weather gets nicer, Matt, and I'll prove you wrong. Only reason I won't set it up now is because this time of year the wind blows almost 24/7 here.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

Did you watch that video?

Be more specific here, who is winning indoor shoots with WB's? Not arguing at all, just wondering.

I'm pretty sure WB's are Jeff's favorite rest :D

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

No need to do that Dan, open mouth, insert foot. It's accurate at 20 yards but won't be at farther distances, I'm looking forward to his explanation of that one. ;)

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

I think a good target archer could shoot good scores with any rest.

I just know VERY little about bow setups.....and I want one that I can adjust myself.

I need the dumbed down version![8D]

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

This is only my opinion, but wouldn't you want to try to use as close to the same sight and rest as you will be usingfor hunting. I mean, if I want to be really proficient for a hunting situation, why would I settle for accessories of a different type on my 3D rig. (I am not a 3D shooter. Yet:D) After all, the shot I take while hunting will always be more important than a foam animal.

LT

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

I don't care for the WB either and Rick James can offer up that information, I think it was he that posted whom that was in a thread debating the WB.

And yeah, I watched the video, that means absolutely nothing, I still want to hear your explanation to why it is dead on accurate at 20 yards but won't be further down range?

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

Nope, not hardly. The quote below is from Matt / PA in a thread asking about the Zero Effect just a day or two ago.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

Ok, now we may be getting somewhere. BUT......W/ a drop away, the arrow isn't in contact w/ the rest for the full cycle of the cam.....wouldn't that make it inherently more forgiving? What I mean is, the longer the arrow is in contact w/ the rest, the longer the archer has to "mess it up"???

Or am I just completely wacked out here??

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

My entire setup is going to be different for my 3D rig. From DW.....to arrows.....rest......

The only constant will be my sight.

For hunting....I really only need one pin.....and my rest I appreciate the full containment. I don't need that for 3D. I also don't want to have to worry about the "possibility" of a rope coming loose on a fall away (though it's never happened). If it happens on my hunting rig.....I simply drive 2 mi. to my shop....or 1 mi.to my shop owner's house. I want someting on my 3D rig "I" can work with.

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I'll agree with the statement that a good shooter can shoot any rest. I just don't see how it can be as accurate, but I guess I'm wrong as usual :D.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

Can someone give an educated answer here to my reasoning above.

Thansk, LT

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

Mobo....

The arrow is STILL in contact with the string!;)

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Why not?

What about the rest makes it so much less accurate than any other rest?

Fletching contact? The fact that the arrow moves around at the shot (according to the video you posted of the early model/today's bowfishing model WB?)

What makes it less accurate? Just saying so doesn't cut it.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

No problem GMMAT. I just don't understand some of the logic behind having 2 different setups.

LT

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

That has a lot of merit, more than anything, it's gadgetry.


It's what you want out of 3D is how you should approach 3D.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

Dude, it's simply not about who's right and who's wrong. But your statement makes absolutely ZERO sense. Why would a rest be ok at 20, but no farther?? Or even 30?? I'm not a fan of the WB either, but they are JUST as accurate. I know an awful lot of people that shoot w/ them, and they can hit what they're aiming at from pretty far away. Like anything else, if the bow is tuned properly w/ the right arrows.....That's most of the battle.

So, what happens past 20 yards that makes that rest suddenly less accurate than it was at 20?

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Yeah, but I still don't get it. Other than that, it's still free floating. Not so with non drop away rest. Again, I'm not arguing, but I AM struggling to understand. I'm no engineer, that's for sure.

What I do know is what I see. And I've seen people who could NEVER get a bow paper tuned properly, suddenly do so w/ a drop away rest.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

This is kind of relative to one of Matt/PA's posts.


There are 2 different kind of 3d archers. One that shoots on the weekends to have fun and prepare for bowseason and the other that competes to be competitive and win.

Very good read here.

http://huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2491876

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

I guess I'm just not understanding how it can be as accurate with all the fletching contact, the movement at the shot, and the fact it's supported by whiskers for gosh's sakes. Once again, it might be as accurate. I'm just not able to see "HOW" it's that accurate.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

Rob, I feared that would be the answer more than anything. "gadgetry"

I just feel that when and if I get into 3D other than my back yard, I don't want to try and focus on 2 different setups year round.I want my setup to be as close as possible to my hunting rig (as in "my huntingrig"). That way there are no mental issues when season rolls around.Maybe I'm wrong. Just my way of thinking.

LT

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

Mobow, what your saying has merit too. In bad form, a spring steel rest can be a curse. If an average joe is torquing his bow, the rest is also torqued inherantly guiding the arrow to be untuned, the drop away, even torqued gets out of the way of said arrow.

With perfect form (obviously which most top shooters have), the rest becomes less of an equation of accuracy thusly, simplicities like a spring steel rest can be used, they are easy and simple. Those same target archers can be just as accurate with any other rest on the market.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

If I decide to shoot 3D, it will be to win. Why else would I want to shoot other than for the practice? When I hunt, I am in the greater of the 2 competitions (Hunting/3D). When hitting foam targets for a trophy gets to be more important than making an effective hunting shot, I would have to quit 3D.

LT

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

NOPE,the opposite is true,sorry,seems redundant doesn't it.[8D]


The rest needs to guide the arrow as long as possible to be forgiving ,that is untill the string no longer has contact,then you don't want the rest to be in contact.

The rest is used for the same reason they choose deflex risers,FORGIVENESS,doesn't really maean accuracy.It is what will happen when the shot is less than perfect.


wb are not even a little forgiving and that shows up more at distance.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

I'm using a Pro Tuner. I really prefer a spring steel style rest over anything else out there. The Pro Tuner is the cream of the crop when it comes to spring steel type rests. If you don't want to spend the $$$ on a Pro Tuner, the actual TT Spring Steel (get the 2 hole rest model) is second in line, but doesn't offer the no tools, micro adjust options a Pro Tuner has. Also, after several years, a Pro Tuner will begin to round out on the allen screws, the track that the unit moves on for windage/elevation will start to mar from being retightened multiple times, etc. I've got both of them, and I still keep the spring steel around just in case I want to setup another bow other than whatever I'm shooting as a target bow at the time, but when I have a chance I will pick up another Pro Tuner and retire this spring steel.

To tune a Drop Zone so that it's cord isn't yanking on your cables affecting timing (happens whether you are tied to the slide or down cable), you have to time the rest so that it hits the full draw position in the last few tenths of an inch in the draw cycle. Now if you creep at all on any shot, that creep is affecting where the rest is.......full up position or slightly dropped. I don't care who you are talking about as a shooter, if you video a good shooter for 60 shots your gonna catch them creeping occasionally, and this is only magnified when you have bad footing, up/down hill shots, etc. This is why I would never consider having a drop away for any reason or purpose that is activated by the cable slide, or cables. The only drop away I'd consider to be honest would be a Limb Driver, because it's actuated by the limb rather than the cables. That's a LOT more consistent of a way to make your rest drop than messing with the cables.

Just MHO.

If everyone took video such as this of themselves for 60 shots in a row, I doubt they would ever consider another cable driven drop away again. With a cable driven drop away you can actually see the elevation of the arrow shaft change when you creep from this view.

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If ALL I was trying to do was practice for hunting situations......I'd buy this. I'm setting up my 3D rig to win with it......based on a ruleset that's pre-determined. If I hunted in those exact situations.....I'd set my hunting rig up the same way. I'm just adapting to what's before me.

I'll have full confidence that EACH setup is correct for its intended purpose.

RE: Best 3D Rest???
 

Ok, now there's a question I understand. We've been taught FOREVER that ANY fletching contact is terrible, horrible, and simply unacceptable.

BUT, in the case of the WB, because each of the 3 fletchings have the SAME contact as the others.....They cancel each other out. It's a non issue. ARe they more vulnerable to flaws in form? Yeah, probably, but the rest in and of itself is JUST as accurate as any other.