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Sliverflicker 01-20-2008 10:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: TFOX


ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker

The most reliable, easiest, cheapest, and accurate rest ever, was the springy. Getting hard to find now but I know a small shop out in the country that still has some. PM me if you want to try one Jeff, they cost about 10.00.
I believe I shot with a guy that won the open B classat an ASA national shoot that was using one of those.Do you have a picture? His bow was an older model that he used for field and for some reason,he had to use it for the 3-d shoot and he won.;)
Sorry T, I just went through all my pictures and cant find one. It's just a brass bolt that goes through the mounting bracket holewith a coiled spring screwed to the end of it. The endof the coil spring isbent out to the side for the arrow to rest on. Kind of worked like a Burger button, rest, all in one.

TFOX 01-20-2008 10:18 PM

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Silver,that's the one,I am almost sure of it.

Same basic principles as the spring steel.

Rob/PA Bowyer 01-20-2008 10:19 PM

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Springy rest originally manufactured by Pat Norris
Bonnie Bowman Archery (1970's)

TFOX 01-20-2008 10:24 PM

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Very good rob,that is the one.Not very tuner friendly though.I like the micro adjustable stuff.:D

Can you imagine group tuning with it?

Matt/TN 01-20-2008 10:30 PM

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Jeff,


I think that you can shoot a Goldtip 30x Pro with about a 150gr point, and you'll get that Airborne slow enough. Not to mention those shafts are HUGE [:-]. Best of both worlds!

buckeye 01-21-2008 03:27 AM

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Great post Matt!


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ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
cords that can stretch (ala the Limb Driver). [/blockquote]



I don't like this statement though. I NEVER have had my cord stretch to that extent.
You are comparing your few months experience with Matts 20+ years experience with archery equipment. [/align][/align]You have never even shot an outdoor 3d and only a small hand full of indoor 3D.Matt has shot in the finals at the IBO Worlds... Experience is the best teacher and cannot be replaced.[/align][/align]

Not to mention if it does, you loosen a set screw, pull it tight, and tighten it back down. Takes 15secs.

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During a shoot can you take back those shots that were effected before you take "15 seconds" on the course to fix? I suppose you have a nocking square in your hip quiver to set the nock height?[/align][/align]

buckeye 01-21-2008 03:31 AM

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Also for this thread, I have had off the top of my mind 5 dropaways break on me during a shoot...... 5 of them! One at the IBO State Championship [:@]

I have to leave for work right now.... I will get into it later.



Matt / PA 01-21-2008 06:40 AM

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I don't like this statement though. I NEVER have had my cord stretch to that extent. Not to mention if it does, you loosen a set screw, pull it tight, and tighten it back down. Takes 15secs.
I've had 2 Limbdrivers already,(Still have 1)and I do like the concept but I HAVE seen the cord stretch a bit (As evidenced by the launcher slowly lifting off the shelf while the bow is at rest over time. The launcher starts flush to the shelf and after a bunch of shots I've seen it as much as 1/8" off. This will not affect the amount that the rest can come up changing the initial launch angle but it should or could possibly affect the timing of how it is pulled down out of the way.
It's details I know, and I do like the rest, however the string loop material cord is the reason why I am braiding a custom cord out of kevlar fly tying thread.

Trust me if it's good enough for Tim Gillingham it's good enough for me, I just want to refine the thing and or possibly pick up one of the new models. Things that can possibly move at varying rates make me nervous.

Rick James 01-21-2008 07:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: Matt / PA

Here's one benefit I am appreciating as well, especially in the cold and wind. When i was using my $150 Golden Key Infinity drop way with the Dave Cousins .010 launcher , it FELT very "Targety" but I found myself messing up my shot progression on quite a number of shots because outside I would bounce the arrow off the blade, the wind would blow it off on a good gust and would have to vary the way I drew the bow and really concentrate on keeping the arrow in place, having to draw several times on certain targets.
See this is why other pieces of equipment suit other folks, Matt's got good reasoning here on what works for him. I'm yet to look at a Zero Effect in good detail, I've only set one up in the past and it was a while ago, so I don't have a goodopinion on it. I do have to say that I like the theory much more than a cable actuated drop away though, at least it's doing the same thing to both cables and there is no rope/cord to stretch and change things over time. I'd have to see what happens with this rest if you creep a 1/4" before the shot goes off......to understand if the rest moves at all from this creep motion. Matt, also just out of curiosity...........didn't you have that blade on your Infinity setup in a drop away configuration, or was it fixed position relying only on the spring steel blade?

With all this said, I actually like the fact that the arrow pops off a spring steel if the bow isn't drawn perfectly and smoothly. It's an indicator to me that it wasn't a perfect setup routine of my shot and that arrow needs to be let down because it wasn't perfectly setup. I'm also likely pulling with arm muscles instead of dynamic back tension if the arrow pops off, and if I'm not starting the shot sequence with this dynamic tension it's time to start over because it's VERY hard for me to execute a clean shot if I don't start with tension in the right place.

Also a spring steel is going to require you to set it up right to prevent excessive popping off of the arrow. Yournock points need to betied in correctly to create a bit of downforce on the arrow when you pull the loop (bottom nock point a bit longer than the top, Cousins style). You also want to be using the correct width and thickness blade, you don't want a super skinny blade when using say an x-cutter or 30X pro, and if it's too thin it will bounce around too much during the draw. In all honesty they don't pop off on me too often,maybe 1-2x a week if I'm shooting 300+ arrows a week, and it'sonly when I'm not focused and getting sloppy. For 3D, I'm using the skinniest.010 pro tuner blade with a Pro 22 width shaft.

Matt/TN 01-21-2008 08:55 AM

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Matt there'sa guy on archery talk that is making limbdriver cords out of served string material I believe. That seems like a pretty good idea.


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