RE: Drop away rests may not be so great
 

They do take a little longer to bolt on to the bow than a prongy or something. It may be they're afraid to charge what they should for their work and thus discourage selling them. My bow shop does a top notch job of putting them on and will tune it too, but you will pay for their time and effort.

RE: Drop away rests may not be so great
 

The problem with the pool cue example is the speed and the amount of flex an arrow has at release. The prong rests still have contact with a ever changing arrow shaft flex. Spine is more critical with the prong rest. Either way tuning is the key! I'll keep shooting my Trophy Taker drop-away!

PRACTICE....PRACTICE....PRACTICE......SUCCESS!

RE: Drop away rests may not be so great
 

I have the Muzzy and I love it I also know how to tune my bow and shot the prong type rests for years. It always took a little time but I did get them in tune and shooting my broadheads great. I wanted to try the MZE and when I did I found the greatest rest I have ever shot. Also let me say this in my area there are 4 archery shops within about 5 miles of each other they all calim to have pros there well I can tell you this working in a shop does not make you a pro. Working on a bow does not make you a pro. Shooting for a company makes you usually a good shot but not necessarly someone who know everything about a bow or its accessories. In a couple of the shops around here I have forgotten more than their so called pros know. But they will tell you they are pros.

RE: Drop away rests may not be so great
 

Cant we all just get WB's and get along!

"She said if I hit that fishin hole today, she's be packin all her things and she'd, be gone by noon....I'm gonna miss her, when I get home."

RE: Drop away rests may not be so great
 

My groups droped in half when I installed a zerro effect rest and I think that will be the result with most "average" archers sutch as myself . For a pure target rest I think most of the top guys are useing a springy rest probably for lots of diferant reasons but one has to be less moveing parts the KISS princeable . The hunting woods are not a target range and what works on one does not work on the other as well . For hunting I dont think you can beat a well designed fall away rest . IE Muzzy Zerro Effect

We all have different oppinions , if we did'nt the world would be a BORING place

RE: Drop away rests may not be so great
 

I didn't read the whole post, but I get the jist of what the guy is saying. I will note by the way, some of the shops in my area feel the complete opposite, they are really pushing the drop a ways.

I have tried several drop a ways, I currently have a Muzzy Zero Effect on my bow. I don't feel any of them were really any harder to install or tune, if anything maybe a bit quicker to tune. Not quite as easy, because of the way they adjust compared to say a quicktune, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

And to be honest, I have not noticed that they are any more accurate than a prong, but they are not any less either. I do think some are a little less forgiving on form though, like the Muzzy and others that are of the overdraw type (yes Kelly I am going to stick with that belief). Not that it matters if you have good form and shot excecution to begin with.

And they do not elimate torque. The arrow is going to go in the direction it is pointed when the arrow is released. And the arrow is already pointed in that direction before the rest drops. The only way to minimize this is to make sure you have a consistant grip, and mount the rest, irregardless of the type, above your hand. Not behind it. You can torque your bow in any way you want and still be accurate, as long as you can repeat it from shot to shot.

I also think people put too much stock in super tuning bows any way, including myself. I have been reading some books recently and talking to some pro archers, and they don't really mess with it to a great extent. Especially for indoor spot shooting. They have put bows in shooting machines that were super tuned and shot arrows on top of arrows. The took the same bow and threw it all out of whack, it still put arrows on top of arrows?! They were in a different spot, but the groups were still the same. Unfortunately we are not machines, so some fine tuning helps the bow be a little more forgiving for each individual, but most don't shoot well enough to gain the benifits any way. That's harsh, but true. I do feel tuning is important with broad heads though, the straighter and truer the arrow flies, the better penitration you will get.

So if you want to try a drop a way, try one, they work just fine. I would not expect to suddenly become a better archer because of it though. Some do, some don't, and it may be more mental than anything in the long run.

Good luck,
Paul

RE: Drop away rests may not be so great
 

Of course some people are going to say they work like a charm and others are going to say they are junk. First off, if a guy has extreme torque in his bow hand, he is going to love the drop away rest, because it cures the problem. The other guy that can keep a steady bow arm will say they dont see a difference at all. Ive shot a prong style rest for some time, and never had any problems with them when they were properly tuned, that is finding the true center of the bow. I had no problem with that because mathew specifically says what the center of their bows are. I love Mathews! Also i have shot straight fletchings out of my rest, and recently switched to hilo fletching. Never really had a problem with affecting my arrow flight any. I also think that the prongs seem that they would work better, but i dont know the answer either, All i know is when you release that string the arrow will bend. I think that the prong style rest corrects this much more before the arrow leaves for its destination.

RE: Drop away rests may not be so great
 

Hey Paul,
I'll be curious to see if your views change when it comes time to put broadheads on. I probably wouldn't have had such a significant difference going to the Muzzy if the other rest had been tuned in and set up really well. I think you know the story behind that. But my point is...I can see your point.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

The whole reason for the drop away, IMO, is vane clearance. BIG vane clearance. Now shooting the Steelforce (as you do) on carbons...come end of August I'm refletching to a 5&quot; hellical feather. I believe that will eliminate(or at least cut down)any wind sheer that a big head like that, at the speeds I'll be shooting, is apt to encounter. My TM would never make the cut here.

Shooting the spots or any target tip indoors for that matter and you lose the majority of the benefits of a drop away. A tm, prong, funnel or spring will work just fine if it's setup right.

Keep in mind this is coming from the guy in LAST place on the league!I should probably be practicing instead of running my cyber-mouth here!LOL<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> See you Thursday Bro!

Trushot }}------>

RE: Drop away rests may not be so great
 

Lots of great arguments for fall-away rest, terrific! This is the kind of dialog I was hoping for!

One problem I have is that most of the fall-away rests are connected to the cables and I just bought a Mathews Legacy I'm trying to set-up. I've heard a lot of stories here on the board about the Trap Door rest failing, does anybody make a rest that is extremely consistent but doesn't have any linkage? I could never hunt with a rest that I didn't have 100% confidence in it working correctly that once in a lifetime moment a monster buck walks into range.

I guess right now I'm leaning towards a Quiktune 3000 or a GFK Golden Premier.

RE: Drop away rests may not be so great
 

I dont know if it is neccesarily tourqe that the fall aways help with . I think it is more fletching clearance that they improve {not eliminate unless your lucky } . This would be more noticeable with vanes compared to feathers . If you shoot a bow with a brace height greater than 7&quot; with vanes I think you will definately see an improvment with a fall away .

We all have different oppinions , if we did'nt the world would be a BORING place