The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
01-09-2008 | 06:51 AM
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RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
I believe there is more of a gap from bare bow to compound, than there is from compound to crossbow ...... in other words, the modern compound is more related to the crossbow than to a recurve or longbow shot instinctively and with fingers ....... but that's just me ...
01-09-2008 | 07:06 AM
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RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
I believe there is more of a gap from bare bow to compound, than there is from compound to crossbow ...... in other words, the modern compound is more related to the crossbow than to a recurve or longbow shot instinctively and with fingers ....... but that's just me ...
01-09-2008 | 07:07 AM
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RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
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I'm not sending this to upset anyone but I want to educate those that have not had this experience..
I am an active compound shooter and I like to make sure my broadheads and arrows are straight and true...
However...
Please take the time to read this......
At 21 years old.....1995 I dumped the compound and changed my ways...My uncle and I madeour own osage stick bows out of osage orange. The bows had lots of character and many curves from tip to tip. When I drew the bow it felt like my shoulders were going to explode. When I neared full draw my whole body shook as I tried to hold steady and fire that cedar arrow off my knuckle. This was not a recurve......it was bare bones like the indians did it....
Listen closely...my arrows were made of cedar.....the broadheads were flint heads...they were held onto the arrow with dried deer tendons....the fletchings were turkey feathers...also held on by dried deer tendons.....
I practiced with this bow and held 6 inch groups at 18 yards...when I was finished shooting my hands were scared from the fletchings wearing away at my hand...
I am a compound shooter now-----but I want compound shooters to learn from this.....If you have not tried bare bones shooting like the indians did hundreds of years ago you must do it...:"if it is in your heart to try it".... in this life that you live you must do it in respect of the hunt and respect for what you have for the animal.....after you do it....if you decide to quit.....at least you can say..."I understand".... how it was to live like the indians did..."remember what your heart is telling you"
I am a compound shooter...I am reminding you again....however....realize this......I learned this.....It does not matter what broadhead you have.....the name brand.....the cutting diameter.....or how sharp you made the broadhead after you shot it in the dirt.....When you send an arrow threw the air with a piece of wood...with a stone on the end....at 15 yards...that stone will poke a hole in the vitals....if you make a good shot....when you make a hole in the mid section of an animal it bleeds and dies....it does not matter if you shoot a 15 dollar broadhead or a stone on a stick....an open hole in the mid- section of an animal causes the animal to blead.....make the right shot....in the vitals....and you will go home happy...please remember this when you are at cabelas studying what to buy......whether you are like an indian....or going with full technology....its about making a hole in the vitals for the animal to bleed.......try traditional archery before your last day on earth....harvest an animal at least once...and you will change your outlook on what bare bones hunting is all about....remember.....stones makes holes too....and the animal bleeds....they are also very deadly........If you have not killed with sticks and stones you may not truly realize how hard bowhunting really is........life is too short......try it..........Good Luck
I'm not sending this to upset anyone but I want to educate those that have not had this experience..
I am an active compound shooter and I like to make sure my broadheads and arrows are straight and true...
However...
Please take the time to read this......
At 21 years old.....1995 I dumped the compound and changed my ways...My uncle and I madeour own osage stick bows out of osage orange. The bows had lots of character and many curves from tip to tip. When I drew the bow it felt like my shoulders were going to explode. When I neared full draw my whole body shook as I tried to hold steady and fire that cedar arrow off my knuckle. This was not a recurve......it was bare bones like the indians did it....
Listen closely...my arrows were made of cedar.....the broadheads were flint heads...they were held onto the arrow with dried deer tendons....the fletchings were turkey feathers...also held on by dried deer tendons.....
I practiced with this bow and held 6 inch groups at 18 yards...when I was finished shooting my hands were scared from the fletchings wearing away at my hand...
I am a compound shooter now-----but I want compound shooters to learn from this.....If you have not tried bare bones shooting like the indians did hundreds of years ago you must do it...:"if it is in your heart to try it".... in this life that you live you must do it in respect of the hunt and respect for what you have for the animal.....after you do it....if you decide to quit.....at least you can say..."I understand".... how it was to live like the indians did..."remember what your heart is telling you"
I am a compound shooter...I am reminding you again....however....realize this......I learned this.....It does not matter what broadhead you have.....the name brand.....the cutting diameter.....or how sharp you made the broadhead after you shot it in the dirt.....When you send an arrow threw the air with a piece of wood...with a stone on the end....at 15 yards...that stone will poke a hole in the vitals....if you make a good shot....when you make a hole in the mid section of an animal it bleeds and dies....it does not matter if you shoot a 15 dollar broadhead or a stone on a stick....an open hole in the mid- section of an animal causes the animal to blead.....make the right shot....in the vitals....and you will go home happy...please remember this when you are at cabelas studying what to buy......whether you are like an indian....or going with full technology....its about making a hole in the vitals for the animal to bleed.......try traditional archery before your last day on earth....harvest an animal at least once...and you will change your outlook on what bare bones hunting is all about....remember.....stones makes holes too....and the animal bleeds....they are also very deadly........If you have not killed with sticks and stones you may not truly realize how hard bowhunting really is........life is too short......try it..........Good Luck
I am always love "it's harder" argument like the indians. They need to feed their familes, they would have a Bowtech with Carbon arrows and a rage in a heartbeat over stick and stone.
I have no desire to shoot bows from 500 years ago. I suggest if you like the indian ways, try living it. Now that would be truly hard
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01-09-2008 | 07:11 AM
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RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
I am always love "it's harder" argument like the indians. They need to feed their familes, they would have a Bowtech with Carbon arrows and a rage in a heartbeat over stick and stone.
01-09-2008 | 07:13 AM
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RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
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That's nice, but Indian would have shot a compound instead of a stick bow
I am always love "it's harder" argument like the indians. They need to feed their familes, they would have a Bowtech with Carbon arrows and a rage in a heartbeat over stick and stone.
I have no desire to shoot bows from 500 years ago. I suggest if you like the indian ways, try living it. Now that would be truly hard Something to write about
That's nice, but Indian would have shot a compound instead of a stick bow
I am always love "it's harder" argument like the indians. They need to feed their familes, they would have a Bowtech with Carbon arrows and a rage in a heartbeat over stick and stone.
I have no desire to shoot bows from 500 years ago. I suggest if you like the indian ways, try living it. Now that would be truly hard
Something to write about
I love Native American history and have educated myself quite in depth on the tribes, customs, and history of the Ohio River Valley in particular. One thing I learned really quickly is that as soon as the Indians could trade for a good musket, they did.
That is awesome that you did that though. Much respect. Just not my cup of tea is all.
01-09-2008 | 07:16 AM
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RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
That's nice, but Indian would have shot a compound instead of a stick bow
I am always love "it's harder" argument like the indians. They need to feed their familes, they would have a Bowtech with Carbon arrows and a rage in a heartbeat over stick and stone.
I am always love "it's harder" argument like the indians. They need to feed their familes, they would have a Bowtech with Carbon arrows and a rage in a heartbeat over stick and stone.
The Native Americans are very rich in their traditions, and believe there is a spirit to their bow. It was once alive in the forest and continues.
01-09-2008 | 07:26 AM
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RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
ORIGINAL: BobCo19-65
I'm not following you at all. It was harder. Are trying to say that it was easier? Or just as easy? They did need to feed their families and were sucessful at it.
The Native Americans are very rich in their traditions, and believe there is a spirit to their bow. It was once alive in the forest and continues.
I'm not following you at all. It was harder. Are trying to say that it was easier? Or just as easy? They did need to feed their families and were sucessful at it.
The Native Americans are very rich in their traditions, and believe there is a spirit to their bow. It was once alive in the forest and continues.
A lot of their traditions varied greatly from tribe to tribe. Once the late 1700's rolled around, many warriors in the eastern tribesdidn't even carry a bow for hunting or war. Tecumseh was often laughed at as a boy because he preferred to hunt with his bow (although they quit laughing when he brought back more game than anyone else) and Blue Jacket was one of the only warriors on Point Pleasant (his first battle and the battle where Tecumseh's father was killed) to use a bow.
01-09-2008 | 07:27 AM
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RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
ORIGINAL: BobCo19-65
I'm not following you at all. It was harder. Are trying to say that it was easier? Or just as easy? They did need to feed their families and were sucessful at it.
The Native Americans are very rich in their traditions, and believe there is a spirit to their bow. It was once alive in the forest and continues.
That's nice, but Indian would have shot a compound instead of a stick bow
I am always love "it's harder" argument like the indians. They need to feed their familes, they would have a Bowtech with Carbon arrows and a rage in a heartbeat over stick and stone.
I am always love "it's harder" argument like the indians. They need to feed their familes, they would have a Bowtech with Carbon arrows and a rage in a heartbeat over stick and stone.
The Native Americans are very rich in their traditions, and believe there is a spirit to their bow. It was once alive in the forest and continues.
He would use what was easier, like you or I would if hunting was the means we fed our families.
I don't understand is the Indian refernce. Stick and string is all they had, it was not their choice. To me there spirit was more with the land and animals, not the bow.
Is a tradition bow harder to shoot, yes indeed, and I suck at it[8D] I just don't agree with the playing the Native American card to speak. They did not use traditional because they wanted to, they had to.
The romance is in the hunt IMO, not what one shoots.