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RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer bc, of course that's not the norm, I'm not naive and is that an attempt at an insult? Every hunt, every scenerio differs even within the same person but it's a valid point. |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
Okay, let's use a conversation I had with Matt about his trophy buck this year. It's a damn good thing he had his traditional gear with him. The way the shot played out and I hope you remember, we talked that it was a damn good thing he didn't carry his compound because he feels he would have NEVER got a shot off. He was all but laying on the ground, blindly grabbing an arrow and knocking it, drawing and shooting instinctively with his bow just inches off the ground and almost parallel to it. He mentioned that buck would have never stood there for him to draw, anchor, set his pin and release. SO having his traditional gear made that hunt easier? Could that be said? It would have been harder to get a shot off with a compound so a compound hunt could be harder? True the traditional bow is an advantage in that kind of situation (unless you shoot your compound barebow and fingers just like it were a traditional bowand thenthe compoundhas the exact same advantage) but the average bowhunter might never see that kind of thing happen in the woods! It's a pretty rare thing, and even more rare that it was such a great animal. That's like saying someone survived falling 20,000 feet from an airplane without a parachute and survived, so parachutes are no advantage! |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
What's not valid about it? Do you think it's isolated even tho it's not the norm? Don't you think it happens that a guy using "modern" equipment gets busted when he's trying to anchor in when a traditional guy would have already have had his arrow through the deer? That makes "traditional" gear easier. Let's talk about that. That has some normality. It's just as valid as saying traditional gear is a harder hunt, keep in mind HUNT! That's been the discussion all along, not traditional isn't harder to shoot, it is but not a harder hunt.
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RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
I grew up shooting a stick bow. Killed many small game animals with that stick bow. ThenI got a recurve, back then it was like getting a compound bow. Those recurves were the ticket back then (some of the older guys will know whatI mean).Then I got a compound and I still prefer a compound. I can still shoot a recurve or a compound without sights.I just like the precision of a compound with sights. I don't buy into the "Indian Did It This Way" thing soI have to do it. Those Indians used guns when the could get them too. I am a hunter and will take game in an efficient legal manner. I am not saying traditional shooters are not efficient enough to take game properly, I just prefer to do it with a compound bow.
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RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
You've said something to me a while back about traditional being no more difficult than a compound if the animal is within 20 yards. Well, that might be true... If you are patient enough to hold off with the compound and wait for the deer to come to 20 instead of zapping it the first time it gives you a broadside at 40. But this is something different... taking a seldom seen incident like that and using it for a basis to say traditional is no more difficult than compound? I threw up my own experience of missing a buck at 16 yards, I'm here to tell you that I could have hit the damn thing with traditional gear so why would traditional gear have made that hunt "harder"? That's all I'm asking and I'm yet to see a valid reason. I'm not talking that a compound "can" give you more yardage options, to some, not others so again, harder or easier for whom, only the proficient right? Isn't that what were really talking here? The best of the best against the best of the best, then yes, traditional is a harder hunt because of yardage limitations but bc, is that a norm, I ask an experience traditionalist such as yourself. |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
What if we take the two guy scenario away, Rob?
Now we don't have to worry about whether one learns faster than the other to become proficient. Same guy......let's use Matt/PA for the example. Which hunt do you think he'd say was "harder"? |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
ORIGINAL: GMMAT What if we take the two guy scenario away, Rob? Now we don't have to worry about whether one learns faster than the other to become proficient. Same guy......let's use Matt/PA for the example. Which hunt do you think he'd say was "harder"? I agree AP, very much so but bc said about norms and in most polls, the majority of deer are taken 20 yards and in. I threw up my own experience of missing a buck at 16 yards, I'm here to tell you that I could have hit the damn thing with traditional gear so why would traditional gear have made that hunt "harder"? That's all I'm asking and I'm yet to see a valid reason. I'm not talking that a compound "can" give you more yardage options, to some, not others so again, harder or easier for whom, only the proficient right? Isn't that what were really talking here? The best of the best against the best of the best, then yes, traditional is a harder hunt because of yardage limitations but bc, is that a norm, I ask an experience traditionalist such as yourself. |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
What can I say....I'm as smart as you.
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RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
ORIGINAL: GMMAT What can I say....I'm as smart as you. [8D] |
RE: The way the indians did it - Bowhunting
Wow, was at work for 8 hours and this thread is on page 15! I didn't read them all. I plan on taking big game with traditional equipment some day, but I won't be using my handmade broadheads tied on with dried deer tendons or fletching made the same way. Kudos to anyone that does though.
Bowhunters.......we are a fascinating bunch. |
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