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I'm not starting a debate on high fence hunting.

Someone noted in the "imaginary gift" thread that they would get me "some sort of fence" for Christmas. Humorous....and I'm sure it was because of the issues I've had with my neighbors coming onto the land they shouldn't be coming onto.

But....I've heard the high fence guys say the reason for their fences wasn't to keep the animals "IN".....but to keep others (PEOPLE) "OUT".

The more I think about this......the moreI believe it.

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"Popcorn" man strikes again! And we're off........

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Yea and those guys don't inhale either.;)

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High fences? 10' to 12'? A regular fence, 4 feet high! Big difference!

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I am in on the out, out don't want folks in, so the in's keep folks out. The outs are outside looking in, while in's are looking out:D

in or out does not matter, folks are in who do not want out, folks are out who cannot get in:eek:

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Leaving whether we agree or disagree with the practice of high fences out of it (We can do that)....is it fair to ask.....

Do you think the guys who don't put up high fences have troubles with poaching? If so....how much would you put up with until you thought about building a fence?

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Too late, I just think you did!

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I'll just sit ON the fence for this one. :D

Or maybe I can develope some sort of fence membrane that allows deer and animals to pass thru both directions, but humans can only go one way.
I'm going to need funded for my R&D effort. Who wants in? [8D]

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Do onlyone guaranteedway to keep them outis prison time for one or the other of you.[:o]

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Regardless of fence height, I think when you are talking about a thousand acres or more, it is not really "canned" hunting. I certainly think you need more than a four foot fence to keep the idiots (humans) out, though.

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I want out:D

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Schultzy....

Let me give you a real-life example. Between where I live and where Farmcntry lives (probably only 15-20 minutes)....is a tract of land owned by RJ Reynolds. I GUARANTEE you there are some 150"+ deer in there. They have NO interest in them. They have people come in every so often and shoot them. The antlers are buried on site and are never allowed to leave the property. The meat is all processed at one plant (My processor does it) and they donate the meat to the food bank.

If that high fence wasn't there.....(several square miles).....I GUARANTEE you there would be poachers. I'm not saying there isn't now. But THAT fence sure makes for great neighbors!:D

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I think if they really want too, poachers WILL find a way in your land, no matter how high your fences are.

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Yea like cut the fence and let whats in-out.Im sure this has happened.

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Only works if there is a manned machine gun nest every 50 yards. ;)

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On the other hand if the fence wasn't there the deer could freely roam where they want and somone on the next property might get a poke at a nice deer.

It's nice that they donate the meat however.

Fences are there to keep things in.

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Agree! Is it fair chase? Not really! But it does keep most of the idiots out, money isn't an issue so thats why they did it i'm sure. No way in heck would i put up 10' to 12' fences on my property to keep poachers out. Reputation alone keeps most out of my area, they don't like getting chased around and chewed to extreem measures!

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It's funny most of us detest high fence ranches. I hope Buckeye checks in to this thread..Cuz we have a local Area called Meander Lake. It's where most of our area's water supply comes from. You are not allowed anywhere near it for fishing/boating/hunting/hiking NOTHING! for fear of contaminating the water (?). The whole area is fenced and it's (guessing) several thousand acres. I could drive by there right now (high-noon)and see deer feeding near the roads (other side of fence).

The divers putting up a new bridge say there are catfish down there the size of men. I can see rubs in there on trees so big, it's scary.

Most of us in this area would love to get a crack at going in there. Does it make a moraldifference that the area wasn't designed for hunting?? Suppose they opened it to thin the herd and I was drawn..would I be a hiprocate???

(ps that will probably never happen..but the question is still valid)

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Someone's gotta thin the herd! Weather its wrong or right the herd still needs to be thined to keep disease's from spreading. Birds can spread disease's from one deer to the next!

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I think the point is that if you tried to pass it off as fair chase then there are those that would view you as a hypocrite.

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Much comes into play with the High Fence deal. I am out, nor will I pay to hunt one. DIY and fair chase whitetails for me, I'm not saying no food plots or feeders just not into the high fence thing. Most times with high fences the people do it for money and you have all kinds of unnatural exotics to maximize revenue. You may have to let the Zebra pass to get that whitetail and don't worry about having a hunting license in your pocket just replace that with your check book. However for the RJR deal, it is really not the same thing, soI would consider doing it or better yet bring a kid or someone that needs to gain some confidence hunting.

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One of my favorite movies is "Open Range". Draw your own conclusions from it.;)

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Jeff .... don't be hatin ;)You are the popcorn man :D

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I would have to agree!

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When you are talking about private companies that might fece the property in an attempt to avoid ahuge lawsuit if a trespasser decides to hunt on the property.........yes I think in this case it is to keep the idiots out.

If you are talking about a private land owner.......who hunts I think it is to keep the deer in. There are a lot of landowners that have problems with trespassers and poaching, but imo it takes a special kind of idiot to find resolution in a fence. Nobody likes trespassers or poachers, but building a fence to keep them out is a little over the top for me.

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I fence mine not to keep people out or wild game in. I have a high fence to keep all my exotics in. When you pay good money for an animal, you dont want them wondering off.

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Most people put up fences for one or more of the three reasons.

To mark property boundary

To keep livestock in

To keep predators out

Paul

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Bob in this case I would have to jump at the opportunity. < I am having a major brain fart on spelling this word.[:@]

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I have some swampland to sell you if you're interested. It's a really good piece of property..... honestly.

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i can see BOTH sides of the issue. yes, you dont want you 10,000$ bucks to roam wild to never be seen again...so they ARE keeping the animals in.

but, you dont want joe schmoe saying "i didnt see the fence when i was walking......" when he gets caught shooting one of them animals IN the fence.

also, id imagine they keep predators out. i dont know how well a pen raised deer will fair against a hungry pack of yotes or similar..

just some points i can understand...

actually know a guy that RUNS a high fence operation. im not gunna lie, i enjoy to drive over and view the elk...just because ive never seen a wild one and they are amazing animals. pen raised...but they still bugle and fight and stuff like that..pretty neat to watch and snap some pics...he also has a small herd of deer. in the fall he had a 200" 3.5yo buck being delievered. he said first thing he was doing was sawing the rack off...didnt have it "bought" and wont till next year so he takes the antlers off so it dont get whacked from the road. he also keeps the deer hidden...you can hardly see them from the road unless you know they are there. guess it would be easier to whack a deer in a fence than a elk...but the elk are also right up tight to the house so they are safe too i guess....

i will say this...that guy is a real good guy..i enjoyed talking to him..he enjoys what he does...and makes money doing it...cant blame a guy for that...but when he asked if i knew anyone that would want to hunt and said hed give me brochures, i kindly said i dont know anyone with that kinda change layin around...just aint my cup of tea...

he did say theres been more than once they let bulls go on a 3 day "guided" hunt in a high fence area for the hunter and when day 3 comes and they are still hunting, he starts to sweat...he was honest..said he gets guys to drive them and get them moving. but, he isnt calling it hunting...thats his job and i could tell he took it that way. he knew that if he didnt get them their elk, that he wasnt getting the check for his work...and, he puts alot of time and work into the operation..keeping a "hunting lodge" on the high fence area...trailering animals to the high fence area...setting up hunts...caring for the animals and that sort of thing(alot of work in "farming" elk and deer..not to mention all the 12ft fences...he got alot of acres fenced in at his house...plus the hunting area...cant bash a guy for makin a living i guess...

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thats crazy! i was just about to ask you about that place. i wondered what went on there (deer wise) everytime i go buy, i kknew there had to be something in that place. so they dispose of the antler and just process the meat? interesting.

Ok so whay dont they take the antlers and sell them to companys that makerknives, Chandaliers(SP), lamps and other home decor? Or even rattling horns, burrying them is a waste, i think.

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Aaron.....RJ Reynold isn't hurting for money.;)

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These threads never cease to amaze me. All things considered, lets be serious, there are high fence ranches and then there are high fence ranches. I have never hunted whitetail on in a high fence, but i did go after exotics in Texas once. The ranch i hunted was thousands of acres, the animals in there, other than being in a fence, and fed corn twice a week, had no other interaction with humans. The fence had no bearing on the hunt. Now dont get me wrong, shooting and animal in a 20 acre or even 100 acre "yard" while being pushed around isnt hunting, but there is no way that you can compare that to hunting 1000+ acre high fence ranches. ps- the ranch owner also had one hired hand to walk the fence once ever week to check it, he said that in the past he has had poachers cut the fence to sneak in.

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I don't see why some people say that hunting a high fence is bad when the high fence may be 3 or 4 thousand acres. Those same people go out to their "honey hole" that is 40 or so acres where they have patterned the deer and see the same deer day after dayand they think their big man hunter. Whereas a guy who hunts a 3,000 acre high fence area is shooting in a pen. Give me a break.

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I totally disagree with what your saying! Is it fair chase? Heck no! Some people choose this way of hunting, whatever works for them.

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Is feeding deer year round and hunting over a food plot fair chase? Now that people are scouting year round, planting food plots, setting stands up on travel routes, there really isn't much fair chase anymore.

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This seems almost foreign to you but most people hunt deer that are free to go anywhere they like :eek:even to the neighbors food plot.[:o]

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The arguement that says they do it to keep others out is a smoke screen to make them feel better about themselves. LOL Really, in nature, if left to itself, if you let things run their course... the young 1 1/2 old bucks on a property woud get run off by both the big bucks and their mothers. It prevents inbreeding and insures survival of the fittest. 1 1/2 and 2 year olds on a neighbors property or then next "Free Range" herd would be dispursed into surrounding country side overlapping and insuring minimal inbreeding and again survival of the fittest genes to be passed on. Instead, the big fence boyswith their food plots and shooting towers and supplemental feeding end up with a much larger herd that the land could possibably support on it's own. That's why they sit there and watch several hundred deer in a few sittings and call it QDM. I call it GDM(Growing Deer Management). Nothing natural about it. They artifically inflate the herd, the food sources and the facts. They put up a fence because they don't want any of their home grown bucks to escape. They're nothing more than the same thing as "The Preserve" under the guise of QDM. You can look on websites formost of these places with high fences and find a link to "Breeding" where you can buy a stud buck or some of his offspring so you too can have the big buck genes. It's not herford they're raising.... but they do it in the same way right down to the feed lots. Deer on steroids kind of. ;)

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Yes its fair chase! They can come and go as they please. So are you going to tell me that when your hunting a scrape its not fair chase either? Eventually the bucks and doe's are going to hit it or check it out just as they do a food plot or a field!