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[blockquote]quote: If that is true, can you not hit your deer with your stick bow when they are 20 yards and under? [/blockquote] Yes, I can. If, and only if,I can draw the bow and execute the shot while remaining undetected. [blockquote]quote: So if that is true, which I assume it is, tell me why using a compound is easier than a traditional bow? [/blockquote] Because with a high let-off compound, I can draw the bow with the animal coming in, or is passing behind a bush and wait for the shot.I don't have to wait until the deer is right there in front of me before I candraw. I drew my 80% let-off compound once and stood there for 5 minutes at full draw before I finally got bored and let down. Could've easily done at least a few more minutes. I certainly can't do that with a stickbow. [blockquote]quote: Isn't the challenge getting said animal at 20 yards? [/blockquote] Not really, not when you are able to clip the cap off a pop bottle at 40 yards with an arrow and are set up over a field with a clean view all around. Or, in Texas at any rate, when you're hunting over a feeder - something I do not do, by the way - and have cleaned out a good shooting lane. [blockquote]quote: I've missed deer at 16 yards with a compound, I probably could have hit said animal with a recurve, at least that's what shooting Matt / PA's recurve showed me so again, why do make the statement, compounds are easier? [/blockquote] Surely you're not suggesting they aren't?? That'd cause the big compound manufacturers extraordinary hardship, lost sales and economic collapse if that rumor got around.  Go back and reread my previous answer.
So if I read it all right, in stickbow ranges, stickbows are easier, beyond stickbow ranges, compounds are easier...now were getting into the guns are easier than bows beyond compound ranges etc that I saw so many people slamming GMMAT and others for saying. Kinda a hypocrasy (sp). |
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schultzy you still have not answered my questions. You also made an accuation about my knowledge so I ask for you to educate me but you seem to refuse. Could that be your blowing smoke and do not know much yourself and only want to try to make yourself look better.
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All this is going to do is help get some guys hunting again, that is it. I really could give a rats butt what anyone shoots. Hunting is suppose to be fun. Tonight I hunted from the ground in 10 degree weather, what weapon I had really did not matter:D With a Long bow, Compound or cross bow I still would have got 0 deer:D Hunting is suppose to be fun, if you like it hard, great, if some want it easier, great. |
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ORIGINAL: Germ Guys All this is going to do is help get some guys hunting again, that is it. I really could give a rats butt what anyone shoots. Hunting is suppose to be fun. Tonight I hunted from the ground in 10 degree weather, what weapon I had really did not matter:D With a Long bow, Compound or cross bow I still would have got 0 deer:D Hunting is suppose to be fun, if you like it hard, great, if some want it easier, great. |
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in stickbow ranges, stickbows are easier, beyond stickbow ranges, compounds are easier...now were getting into the guns are easier than bows beyond compound ranges etc that I saw so many people slamming GMMAT and others for saying. Kinda a hypocrasy (sp). Guns really are a lot easier than bows. Just a cursory glance at hunter success ratios prove it. They also prove that compounds are a loteasier than traditional bows. What they do not prove is that crossbows are easier than compounds. The figures I've seen from official DNR records show success rates for compounds and crossbows to be virtually identical, within a couple 10ths of a percent. So, for someone who slams crossbows saying they are much easier than his compound, then you really do have someone who is either sadly misinformed or is guilty of a base hypocracy. |
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I know AP, I was talking out loud and making a general observation.
I have the utmost respect for you and your knowledge. I appreciate your input here as well. Just reflecting and making a couple points. :) |
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I would not use a xbow in a tree for all the tea in china:D
They are big and clumsey, I can say for sure I would have not shot my last 3 bucks with one in the tree. Shots were behind me. I hunt with the bow that brings me the most enjoyment. Sitting in a tree thinking "Can I get this bow back" is no fun at all IMO. I will be honest, if x-bows were legal in MI I would use one on the ground in MY CRP field. For the simple fact I can shoot for my belly.;) |
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ORIGINAL: Germ Guys All this is going to do is help get some guys hunting again, that is it. I really could give a rats butt what anyone shoots. Hunting is suppose to be fun. Tonight I hunted from the ground in 10 degree weather, what weapon I had really did not matter:D With a Long bow, Compound or cross bow I still would have got 0 deer:D Hunting is suppose to be fun, if you like it hard, great, if some want it easier, great. From 2003 to 2006, the number of full-season hunting licenses issued to Maryland residents dropped from 91,524 to 84,046, an 8.2 percent decline. From this article |
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Would the closest person please give Grumpy a hug.:):D
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ORIGINAL: Germ I would not use a xbow in a tree for all the tea in china:D They are big and clumsey, I can say for sure I would have not shot my last 3 bucks with one in the tree. Shots were behind me. I hunt with the bow that brings me the most enjoyment. Sitting in a tree thinking "Can I get this bow back" is no fun at all IMO. I will be honest, if x-bows were legal in MI I would use one on the ground in MY CRP field. For the simple fact I can shoot for my belly.;) |
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ORIGINAL: GrumpyTom ORIGINAL: Schultzy ................... Your to ignorant to understand what i'm trying to say! I can understand what your saying about being disabled and wanting to shoot a crossbow, thats understandable! Your way to ignorant to see where i'm coming from though! I will restate this post and question that everyone seems to forget about. [blockquote]quote: ORIGINAL: GrumpyTom ........ I wonder if the abled body person would complain if they were required to get these forms filled out (same costs and time requirements) just to say that they were physically fit to use the vertical archery equipment they choose to use. But like I said, if you want to debate compound/crossbow, start another thread. [/blockquote] LIke I said in that above post. How would the abled body person behave if that was applied to them. Why should the disabled be put through all of that when the abled body hunter is not. Is that not discrimination ............ Unfortantly it is so. Even your surpreme Court has ruled that it is. Just to make it the same for everyone that hunts with archery (not just for the the disabled which want the use of crossbows), I think that everyone should have to get the medical form fill out to hunt with archery. For the abled body people, they get a form saying that they are physically fit enough to use a vertical bow and the disabled get one saying that they are not physically fit so they can use the crossbow. I will even break it down more for you, Tryclaming you won the lottery and go and try to get the money on just your word. So far you have used the handicapped (Who can hunt with the Xbow during the regular archery season with a permit), the elderly, and the poor to try and cram the xbow into the regular archery season, have you no shame. I got you pegged for a Excalibur Rep!! Oh and the SupremeCourt crap you keep twisting up to suit yourself has nothing to do with putting a Xbow in our archery season. Does it now. |
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I don't see how this isa problem for so many people! Its obvoius that people in this worldare selfish,have no compassion for others, and little respect for the elderly! Even if they could pull back a bow, why not make it easier forsomeone this old tocontinue to enjoy life in the outdoors?If they've lived to be 62 years old, I say they deserve to have an advantage, eventhough, I don't think its that much of an advantage in the first place!
Bottom line is that it doesn't really effect anyone, but some people just enjoy being haters! |
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In Wisconsin you have to be at least 65 to hunt with a crossbow or be physically handicapped to hunt with one.
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ORIGINAL: Michbowhunter I don't see how this isa problem for so many people! Its obvoius that people in this worldare selfish,have no compassion for others, and little respect for the elderly! Even if they could pull back a bow, why not make it easier forsomeone this old tocontinue to enjoy life in the outdoors?If they've lived to be 62 years old, I say they deserve to have an advantage, eventhough, I don't think its that much of an advantage in the first place! Bottom line is that it doesn't really effect anyone, but some people just enjoy being haters! |
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ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker Thought I was gone didn't ya! Look what all happend while I was gone, name calling,POPE & YOUNG bashing and you with this, will someone answer this question for me, like to drove me nuts when I was going over what I missed! Now I will answer the darn question for you. I am a licensed Guide it this state and I do have to take a Physical every 3 years only I have to prove I am healthy.Its called proof of burden. I have to prove I am Healthy to get my permit, and anyonewanting a XBow permit has to prove they are not. I will even break it down more for you, Tryclaming you won the lottery and go and try to get the money on just your word. So far you have used the handicapped (Who can hunt with the Xbow during the regular archery season with a permit), the elderly, and the poor to try and cram the xbow into the regular archery season, have you no shame. I got you pegged for a Excalibur Rep!! Oh and the SupremeCourt crap you keep twisting up to suit yourself has nothing to do with putting a Xbow in our archery season. Does it now. Oh and the SupremeCourt crap you keep twisting up to suit yourself has nothing to do with putting a Xbow in our archery season. Does it now. You still did not answer my question. I did not ask you if you had a physical, I asked what would happen if every abled body person had to go through the same physical as a disabled body would have to just to be able to hunt. DO NOT SIDE STEP THE QUESTION. You also stated that I knew nothing about the Pope & Yopung so I asked you to educate me, but you seem to forgot to do that, but contimue to call me a pope & young basher, I just said that I would not support them, I would rather support other organizations because I believe that they are more interested in keeping their membership up (more money for them) then they are in promoting hunting. [quote] [blockquote] ORIGINAL: GrumpyTom ........ I wonder if the abled body person would complain if they were required to get these forms filled out (same costs and time requirements) just to say that they were physically fit to use the vertical archery equipment they choose to use. But like I said, if you want to debate compound/crossbow, start another thread. [/blockquote] LIke I said in that above post. How would the abled body person behave if that was applied to them. Why should the disabled be put through all of that when the abled body hunter is not. Is that not discrimination ............ Unfortantly it is so. Even your surpreme Court has ruled that it is. Just to make it the same for everyone that hunts with archery (not just for the the disabled which want the use of crossbows), I think that everyone should have to get the medical form fill out to hunt with archery. For the abled body people, they get a form saying that they are physically fit enough to use a vertical bow and the disabled get one saying that they are not physically fit so they can use the crossbow. |
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Come on Grumpy, Its been that way all my life, and yours too, if any individual wants something you have to prove in one way or another you qualify for it.
Now instead of arguing with me on this forum, you should be trying to get it where the disabled are reimbursed for any fees obtained while getting their permit! But seeings how you live in Ontario Canada where the healthy, disabiled, old, and poor can all hunt with a X bow without a physical and dont need a permit to do so !!!! Well, you know what I think! |
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ORIGINAL: Hotburn76 ORIGINAL: SteveBNy Should blinds and treestands be made illegal for the same advantage? Steve Edit to add: Forgot to add that Shoot through blinds are ok since it only gives the current hunter a advantage. It does not create the chance of competition from another hunter, therefore the advantage is not discussed and kept quite. Also a big thanks to the people that have showed support to the use of the CB, alot of the names have surprised me. |
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ORIGINAL: jmbuckhunter Just read about a new law on the books in IL. Anyone 62 years of age or older can bowhunt with a cross bow without having to get a medical excuse. Just have proof of age and buy the permit. Not sure why this is needed. Paul |
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ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker Come on Grumpy, Its been that way all my life, and yours too, if any individual wants something you have to prove in one way or another you qualify for it. Now instead of arguing with me on this forum, you should be trying to get it where the disabled are reimbursed for any fees obtained while getting their permit! But seeings how you live in Ontario Canada where the healthy, disabiled, old, and poor can all hunt with a X bow without a physical and dont need a permit to do so !!!! Well, you know what I think! Yes I do live in Ontario where it is legal for anyone to use the crossbow as a choice and we have a growing problem with deer population. It has not hurt our deer herd at all. Why do I fight for the rights of the disabled ........... because people like you fight to disclude them from activities that they love and want to continue. Just because there is a boarder between you and me, to me does not matter, you see, ignorance and discrimination has no boarders. But I guess that because I live in Ontario, I do not have a right to fight for someone that has disabilities. BTW, many Americans have thanked me for sticking up for there rights and or their loved ones rights. They also thank me for proving that the lies from the anti's were just that LIES Why is it that noone wants to answer the question of : ORIGINAL: GrumpyTom ........ I wonder if the abled body person would complain if they were required to get these forms filled out (same costs and time requirements) just to say that they were physically fit to use the vertical archery equipment they choose to use. But like I said, if you want to debate compound/crossbow, start another thread. |
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ORIGINAL: Hotburn76 .............................. Also a big thanks to the people that have showed support to the use of the CB, alot of the names have surprised me. I too would love to thank all of the people that have shown support. Even the short words as let it go, it should not matter or OK with me does have meaning to to those that are in the need. Thanks again. |
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You just dont want an answer for you question! We have Hunter Education you now have to complete befor receiving a hunting licens, which I know for a fact takes more time than filling out the forums and a quick physical, If they get a physical at all! But then you already know that.
Alwaws come back to the sympathy card dont you, when in your posts its plain to see your major objective is to cram the Xbow into the regular archery season unrestricted. There is no ignorance on my part on the Xbow, I may be able to give you a few tips on them! NO discrimination on my part or anyone elses part either that I have seen , Just belive everything has its place, Guns in gun season, Black powder in its season, get it yet! Just what Province, State, or Country have you been travailing to to help these people get their paperwork and physicals done to help them get their permits, because I kind of limited to those that live around me. |
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ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker You just dont want an answer for you question! We have Hunter Education you now have to complete befor receiving a hunting licens, which I know for a fact takes more time than filling out the forums and a quick physical, If they get a physical at all! But then you already know that. Alwaws come back to the sympathy card dont you, when in your posts its plain to see your major objective is to cram the Xbow into the regular archery season unrestricted. There is no ignorance on my part on the Xbow, I may be able to give you a few tips on them! NO discrimination on my part or anyone elses part either that I have seen , Just belive everything has its place, Guns in gun season, Black powder in its season, get it yet! Just what Province, State, or Country have you been travailing to to help these people get their paperwork and physicals done to help them get their permits, because I kind of limited to those that live around me. No I am not looking for "sympathy " or am " I playing the sympathy card". Most of the disabled only want to be treated like every one else, not to have to go through tones of paper work to do what the abled body person takes for granted. Yes you do have "ignorance on my part on the Xbow" and you have proven it by saying that they are like guns. They are not like guns at all. And you have proven that you do "discrimination on my part(your quote)" by agreeing tha the disabled need to go though all that extra paper work will not forcing all the abled body to go though the same. You would be very surprised the number that I have helpd, I was helping people before that Col court case was even filed. That would include many different States and even helped one person with the CHRA (Canadian Human Rights Act) in a dispute with an archery club in Alberta. They were refusing the crossbow at their range. The showing CHRA the club had to relent and allow the crossbow. Now I have responded to your questions and accuations, now lets see you answer that question which I have asked many times. IT is a straight forward .... Black & White answer ..... no side stepping needed. ORIGINAL: GrumpyTom ........ I wonder if the abled body person would complain if they were required to get these forms filled out (same costs and time requirements) just to say that they were physically fit to use the vertical archery equipment they choose to use. No doubt in my mind there would be a major uproar and protests. And I bet you would be at the very top of the list. |
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I have known for many years that the majority of people support the use of crossbows in the archery season. One other teensie little thing.... I don't much care for'furriners' sticking their noses into Americans' business. If you guys spent half as much time worrying about your own country as you do about crossbows on this side of the border, maybe you'd still have some gun rights up there. |
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Wow what a heated debate. Did it get this hot when compounds were introduced! I'm sure the recurve/longbow crowd was just as insecure about allowing compounds during the archery season. BTW I shoot a compound and want to try a x-bow someday. I've shot a recurve a few times and would like to master it as well. I don't see the problem here, to me a x-bow is a piece of archery equiptment, it should be allowed.
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ORIGINAL: GrumpyTom Maybe if I worded it differently. Would the abled body archery hunter complain if they would have to get a physical fitness form filled out (with all the same time and costs that the disabled incure) to be able to hunt with archery equip[ment. No doubt in my mind there would be a major uproar and protests. And I bet you would be at the very top of the list. |
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Arthur P our gun laws hurt this country, but in what way does it bother you,
Secondly, this is the internet which has no boarders, so on here I am just like you and others. My statement you quoted was formed from many many years of watching people responses. Ten years ago you would not even find a State that would tink of starting to allow crossbows into archery (other then those already with it), now it is a growing trend. About me sticking my nose into your business, how is it your business that I stick up for people with disabilities. BTW, I have never lobbied governments. nor have I formed any laws, nor have I ever threatened anyone. I have only wanted all people to be treated fairly and as equals. Are you against that. Even in this thread, all I have done is correct incorrect statements or lies. With me doing this, people that do not know, or un educated, will not believe the misinformation or lies as the truth ............. Again are you against me doing that (telling the truth) NOW if HNFI was to ask me to stop I would leave in a heart beat, but I also believe that they want an educational site and the truth to be put forth, not misinformation. I have not disrespected anyone with name calling or threats, I have conducted myself in a manerly way. I have answered questions and accuations. I have not side stepped questions to try and misinfor people like others have on here. |
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ORIGINAL: Arthur P I have known for many years that the majority of people support the use of crossbows in the archery season. One other teensie little thing.... I don't much care for'furriners' sticking their noses into Americans' business. If you guys spent half as much time worrying about your own country as you do about crossbows on this side of the border, maybe you'd still have some gun rights up there. I have not seen one logical reason tonot make them legal. So far we have 1.It's easier 2.Protecting our bowhunting tradition IMO, both of these are pretty lame. I will preach until I die. HUNTING IS SUPPOSE TO BE FUN;) We all have choices, if YOU want it hard go ahead, if I want it hard, I should have the right to choose how hard IMO. My grandpa has hunted with a CrossBow for over a decade now, yes he had to go through a test. Which was nuts IMO. |
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ORIGINAL: Germ Most don't want crossbows for fear more people will hunt during the archery season and shoot "their" deer. I have not seen one logical reason tonot make them legal. So far we have 1.It's easier 2.Protecting our bowhunting tradition IMO, both of these are pretty lame. I will preach until I die. HUNTING IS SUPPOSE TO BE FUN;) We all have choices, if YOU want it hard go ahead, if I want it hard, I should have the right to choose how hard IMO. My grandpa has hunted with a CrossBow for over a decade now, yes he had to go through a test. Which was nuts IMO. |
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Wow, I made it to page 11, my eyes are bleeding, but I made it. Honestly I don't have a problem with it. I wasn't crazy about crossbows being allowed for anyone in my area when it happened, but since then I've changed my views. My old man had back surgery and because of nerve damage lost a lot of strength and could no longer draw even a 45 pound bow. I got him a crossbow, just so he could get out with me a couple times a year. We got him all set up and took it to the range. We were shooting, him with his crossbow, me with my compound. He could hit pretty good at 20, and 30 yards, but beyond that was no good. I was smacking 3 inch groups at 45 yards with my compound. I tried to shoot the crossbow and let me tell you I will take my compound any day of the week. Those that think shooting a crossbow is like shooting a gun have not shot a crossbow much. They are unwieldy, hard to balance and as Grumpy said you have to follow through on your shot like a flintlock. This was a very good crossbow with a red dot sight as well.
I personally would not want to hunt with a crossbow just because I like the compound more, but to say that setting up a crossbow and being able to go out and hunt with one is just a silly reason to say they are bad. The same can be done with a compound. As a matter of fact, Matt/PA has stated numerous times that he has received a new free offering from Bowtech (jerk;)) taken it out of the box and hunted with it the same day. I know on one occassion he killed a deer that way. So, to say that because a crossbow is easy to master (which I do not believe to be the case) so it is a lesser archery weapon is just foolish. Finally, if a guy is perfectly healthy and chooses to shoot a crossbow and it's legal, so what. I choose to shoot a compound over a recurve or long bow. I prefer to shoot a compound over a crossbow. For goodness sake, stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and just hunt. |
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ORIGINAL: Schultzy ORIGINAL: Germ Most don't want crossbows for fear more people will hunt during the archery season and shoot "their" deer. I have not seen one logical reason tonot make them legal. So far we have 1.It's easier 2.Protecting our bowhunting tradition IMO, both of these are pretty lame. I will preach until I die. HUNTING IS SUPPOSE TO BE FUN;) We all have choices, if YOU want it hard go ahead, if I want it hard, I should have the right to choose how hard IMO. My grandpa has hunted with a CrossBow for over a decade now, yes he had to go through a test. Which was nuts IMO. Just like Golf(USGA) core test, I think we need one for archery tackle. What that test is I do not know. My guess a speed benchark has to be put in place. Here is a great stat. 2001 Ohio Archer Success 21% 2001 Ohio Cross Bow Success rate 23% 2% LOL Here is a great example I hunted in a Blizzard Sunday morning. My SitkaGear suite is awesome; I could have sat all day. Is that fair? Hunting is fun, at the point it becomes killing I bet the person quits. I can hunt easy, I could have been done with nice 8 and 9 in the freezer, but I choose to up the challenge. I really don't concear myself with what other hunters hunt with as long as it's legal. I have a VARX3 scope on my 22-250, just not fair, LOL We put some benchmarks in place, we do what we can to let people enjoy the outdoors. Having guys 62 and older using x-bows is a great law. Next year Gramps will be 80, he shot a doe on Friday with a ML, 79. There is nothing but good in that IMO. I hope to god I can put one in front of him next year with that xbow;) Ohio right now is legal for xbows, and the world has not ended, I think:D |
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The thing is it will never stop, its just going to get worse and worse and before you know it technology is going to kick the hunting aspect right out of bow hunting! I want my liitle girl who is now 5 months old to experience bow hunting like its supposed to be, how it use to be. This is not what i see in the future! I have no problem what so ever in keeping the old farts out there hunting. I will do what it takes to do that for my dad as well when the time comes, it won't be a crossbow by any means, he's been shooting traditional for 30 some years and doesn't much care for these crossbows either. Either way he will be out there hunting weather it be a compound or a gun of some kind. As for the disabled people or the people who have no way of pulling a bow back, shoot what works for you, and if its a crossbow, more power to ya!
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From a pure herd management POV (i.e. your state wildlife agency), there is no need for the use of any archery weapon. It can be done much more efficiently with modern high powered guns in a short season. Be careful what you wish for when you attack crossbows. Perhaps we should count our blessings that archery seasons of any typeare even allowed.
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ORIGINAL: Schultzy The thing is it will never stop, its just going to get worse and worse and before you know it technology is going to kick the hunting aspect right out of bow hunting! I want my liitle girl who is now 5 months old to experience bow hunting like its supposed to be, how it use to be. .................... People do not realize that crossbows and compounds are generally equal. There are some advantages, but other major disadvantages as well. Crossbows are not for everyone, but that is a choice for the hunter. There is alot more history in crossbows, more tradition then there ever will be in compounds. Still waiting for the answer for my question. |
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Arthur P our gun laws hurt this country, but in what way does it bother you |
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ORIGINAL: Schultzy The thing is it will never stop, its just going to get worse and worse and before you know it technology is going to kick the hunting aspect right out of bow hunting! I want my liitle girl who is now 5 months old to experience bow hunting like its supposed to be, how it use to be. This is not what i see in the future! I have no problem what so ever in keeping the old farts out there hunting. I will do what it takes to do that for my dad as well when the time comes, it won't be a crossbow by any means, he's been shooting traditional for 30 some years and doesn't much care for these crossbows either. Either way he will be out there hunting weather it be a compound or a gun of some kind. As for the disabled people or the people who have no way of pulling a bow back, shoot what works for you, and if its a crossbow, more power to ya! Their defination of "bowhunting" Example to me has little to do with the actual bow, but more about hunting tactics employed. This is what I think, not saying it's gospel. I hunt a little different than most I think. No calls, scents or trickery. I just try and be where the buck may me, and this year I suck at it:D My buddy has an eletric call with a speakers wired to his stands[&:] Would I do that, no, should I "put down" his method of hunting because Ifeel it's not a macho as me? No Atlas is another great example, he hunts with a gun 50 yd max range. Uncle Ed's has 150 yd range. Do either really care what the other is doing? Because of the weapon they choose, I bet they have differnet method. Atlas needs to take a bowhunter mentality to the woods with him. Uncle Ed wants to cover a lot of ground when he hunts. In college my buddy used to try and score with the best looking girls with boyfriends[&:]I use to go after the single ones. In the end we both got the samething, he just had to work harder, Good for him:D One thing HNI has taught me, Let folks hunt they way they want. Putting others to "your" standards just is not right, and that goes for me also. |
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Well put Gary and could not agree more!
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My ways are not by no means the norm. People all have there own methods of hunting, much better then mine i'm sure. What works for you or them is fine by me! I can how ever be concerned on what the future holds for my daughter if she gets into bow hunting, i have a right to be! Call me a conservative bow hunter, I don't really care. Thats the way i am. I'm done with this, i'm sick of the argueing and bickering!!!
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My issues with the crossbows aren't really with the bows them selves...it is more with the user of said bow. I have witnessed first hand that people think they can shoot 70 and 80 yards because they have this fast cross bow.
Other than that, I don't give a hoot what they use. I hunt withing 100 yards of my dad that uses a cross bow and the only difference is I can here when he shoots and I couldn't when he used a regular bow. It hasn't gotten him anymore deer than he would have gotten normally. |
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Steve I am not arguing
I have the same concearns, I can tell you Habitat and having a place to hunt is my biggest worry. My Son is a little older, can we have arrange marriage for hunting rights:D |
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