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I don't think that is what is up for debate the companies never said their garmets have "some scent prevention qualities"they said "forget the wind just hunt" and it can be reactivated in a dryer. Both of these statments are untrue aren't they?

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Sigh...........theories exist until they are PROVEN.........then they are no longer in any doubt.

F=MA........period, no debate, no discussion, no opinion, no belief, no faith, no nothing.........it just is.

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Sorry, just too funny


damn won't work sorry

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thank you...

tha is all, continue

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He stated exacly the opposite of that didn't he?

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Glad someone is paying attention.

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You guys are the ones who mentioned the "science". When I compared it to "law" you cry foul.....but you "science" guys SURE deal with a lot of "theories" in your chosen field.

I guess it's easy to say what you know is "law"....and what the "other guy" is discussing is "theory".

Translation......."You missed".

Does the SL scientist (the ones who say it works) not deal with the same laws and theories you guys do??????? How is this possible?????

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what temperture does it take to reactivate the carbon in this clothing again?

No I think you missed his point Jeff.

BTW, I did something similar with the gun to what you did with the bow this year.

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No charlie.....you missed my point.

Nevermind.:eek:

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Whatever temperature the scientist said it did. Are you just not gonna come right out and say that you're right and the other guy is a quack? Honestly....why not just say he's full of ****???....and you're not!:D

You've seen the same promo video for the stuff I have.Are the scientists in that video just simply lying to the American Public.

Is it out of the question to ask whatcredentials you have.....when you question their expertise?

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ouch gmmat, that must have hurt to say... you basically fessed up to your apple v. orange comparison... missed?? direct hit buddy

science DOES deal with a lot of theory, no question... but those theories have to be proven using facts and everyone that knows anything about science knows the clear difference between a law of science and a theory... even in the legal sense you bring "theories" to court try to prove your case based on facts... when a lawyer offers and opinion about what could have happened it is typically called his theory of the events... he uses facts to try to legitimize his theory and the opposing atty does the same thing to try to prove his theory... but even so, the "law" doesn't change...

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its called marketing and willful ommision of fact, which is why the lawsuit is in place...

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Man this brings back some memories! Can we discuss the wisker biscuit vs the fall away rests next? [:-]

I still find the argument from the pro-scent lok guys funny though. I wonder what it would take to prove to them that they have been duped? Short of Scent lok coming out and saying they lied, I'm not sure anything would work.
I also wonderifsome wear it because it's more of a fashion statement......you know......hey look at me!.......I'm a serious bowhunter and I have the scent lok to prove it! :D. I say wear watever floats you boat, but I also laugh mya$$ off when I hear hunters attribute a successful hunt to the freaking kind of camo they were wearing.

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LOL!!!!!!!!

WHAT???????:D

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Promotional video sort like that one that's claims it makes a certain area of your body larger by taking some pills?

Haven't seen tha video in along time did they really come out and say you could reactivate carbon at a temp a dryer can reach?

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Here's some free advice..............Have your 21st chromosome checked...........all 3 of them ;)


What a freakin' waste of time.........my cat picks things up faster.


I'm going to shoot the new Bowtechs before I waste anymore of my day.

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bum,bum,bum,bum,bum,bum,bum swirl drum sticks,bum,bum,bum,bum,bum,bum

have to imagen the Energizer Bunny I could not get the moving one in the post right:D

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Ya know....I own vERY little of these things. What I find absolutely hilarious is....that everyone (detractors...they're the only ones upset with the garments) wants to hear "proof".....and then the mfr'rs put forth scientists who back up their claims......and that's never gonna be good enough. They can't win.

Bubba Johnson is suddenly a "Scientist"......and he's smarter than the guys on the video. THAT is what's funny, to me.

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At least that is something worth doing.;)

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AMEN!!!!!

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And it is only December!

I like Tacos.

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Ding...Ding....Ding...we have a winner!! I have a buddy that has the "top of the line" everything, well the most expensive stuff anyway. Every year it is new this and new that and scent lok boxers, socks, clothes, base layers, ear muffs, hat, etc. He has had a new bow every year since I have known him (15 years) and some years two. New guns, most expensive he can get, latest greatest sights, sling, everything....you know the guy. I say good for him, I mean it's his money.He looks like a walking, talkinghunting product commercial and hey he must be a great hunter he has all the"best" stuff, right. Well he is pretty sharp but over the past 3 seasons he's down like 25 to 9 and my Wal-Mart camo and $40 rubber bootsare still holding up after all those seasons. It's not all bad though, I get some great hand me downs.:D

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I don't think anyone is upset with the garments, just at the notion that a company is misleading consumers.I am sure the mfg is going to put forth claims that it works and have the science to prove it.Just like statistics. Statistics don't lie, statisticians do.

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Do you always believe the doctors and scientists advocating a product in promotional videos? You know all those crazy infomercials at 3 am usually have Dr. Bubba Johnson "M.D." board certified cardiologist advocating some snake oil that will make your heart last 300 years. Get real GMMAT...just because a scientist or doctor on T.V. says a product works doesn't make it "PROOF"

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That's classy, Atlas. I'm busting a gut, here. What's next? A good Leukemia or SIDS joke????

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Jeff, I'm pulling for you, I really am, and this dogpile thing that's going on right now sucks...but, I have done some research on activated carbon myself. I didn't look at anything that had to do with hunting, just activated carbon and reactivating that carbon. Now I have to admit a lot of what I read was way over my head, but what I did understand was that activated carbon in large quantities will "fill up" rather quickly, and smaller quantities (likethose in carbon clothing)are "filled up" almost at exposure to unfiltered air. Then to reactivate that carbon it took temperatures that clothing certainly couldn't stand up to, in the 1000's of degrees I believe. Now I know when I take clothes right out my dryer those metal buttons are dang hot, but I doubt it can reactivate carbon if that is what it takes.

With that said I still buy scent reducing clothing (on sale) because I feel it has other properties that help in my scent reducing regiment. I just don't believe that it absorbs my scent and can be reactivated as indicated by the ads.

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LOL all this bickering over flat worlds and golf scores. Why not stick to the topic[>:]

So far, the lab providing the test results has aparently been proven for fraud in multiple cases. So far their list of credentials isnt looking too hot.

Carbon is reactivated at a temperature that no dryer can reach, not to mention the fabrics would burn up before it reached that temp. so essentially, the carbon has already been used up by the time you take it off the hanger in the store and take it home.

Atlas apparently has a background in the subject, what more credentials do you need?

you say he keeps refuting all the proof presented to him, but "I killed two bucks this year wearing it...DISPEL THAT" isnt very solid proof, ok it isnt proof at alllol. Give us a break. who are you to say they wouldnt have came by if you had thin cotton clothes on?

Hes simply asking you to DISPEL the fact that carbon can't be reactivated in SL clothes. no one can as of yet in this arguement. . . .:eek:

having a personal problem with atlas is no reason to argue with him about scientific laws, you wont get anywhere.

all that said, you are rightin the fact that SL does make good garments if nothing else. i wear it some simply because i like the quality of the garments, not because i believe it works.

edit: spelling sucks[:'(]

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Are you kiddin', Bry??? ...lol. I don't believe everything they tell me, either. What I do know is....and what I've said all along is....it's STILL good (actually VERY good) camo. I'm gonna wear camo, anyways....so why not get the SL ON THE CHANCE it helps out (______%).

I guarantee you I paid less for my SL garments than MANY, MANY people paid for their non SL items. I just watch for it on sale. All that.....and I "think" I own about 4 total garments. I have more in my enigma suit than I do in ALL of my SL garments, combined.

If it helps me (_____%)......and I'm gonna wear camo anyways......WHY NOT wear the SL?

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TEmbry.....

blah, blah, blah.....

I'll ask you guys to do the same thing Mobow asked you to do (a long time ago). Show us where the scientists have been proven to have committed FRAUD.....and I'll jump ship.

I have no ties to these folks. I don't lose or gain anything if they're proven to be fraud artists. Won't the courts decide this for us?

I'll tell ya what.....if the courts take this to trial.....and the SL people win....will the SL detractors shut up?????? Nope. Just like with the scientists saying it does work.....they'll never believe anything.

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blah, blah, yourself. You are more guilty than anyone of filling this thread with a bunch of blah blah.

The following is certainly not "prOOf", but it does show that Intertek has a history ofquestionable practices.

Quoted in the followinglinked article: "According to The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Jeffus is charged with having "personally directed and trained technicians to falsify results to meet customers' quality-control specifications."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2001_Jan/ai_70777245

To be fair, all individuals were acquitted of criminal charges, but the corporation was fined $9M, which implies guilt or negligence of some type.

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Merry Christmas

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LOL mature. . .

forget the fraud then.

what about the research on activated carbon and its reactivation temperature? are these 1000s of scientists wrong? it is fact, but because you havent been busted by a deer, they are wrong? :eek:

have faith in your SL, what i have worn is comfortable and well made. itll keep me warm and conceal me, but it wont capture any more scent than a similar garment without carbon.


why is it that people who dont believe in it are wrong, when just as many scientists, no correct that 100s more, believe that carbon cannot be reactivated at the low temperatures of house hold dryers. i wont venture to say it is a proven fact,because im not qualified to say so.

it doesnt matter anyway, those who want to buy it will, and those who dont wont. i have and probably will again, but i do NOT buy into the crap about it being able to be reactivated.

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actually that's one thing i've already agreed to do (earlier in this thread), if they can prove that it works as they claim then i'll probably own some... i like the concept, but have reservations about the claims they make... i'm open minded about it, if they can get the conclusive proof to beat the suit, i'll buy in...

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If its proven to work like they claim, Ill shut up. Youll see me sportin a full SL get-up.
Im just looking at it from a realistic point of view. If something is designed to adsorb scent, wouldnt it be adsorbing every scent the moment it touches air? Therefore, one could logically assume that this item would be saturated damn near instantly in any environment with the exception of space.

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its been proven to work:eek: and to not work:D

its good camo and i own some, so i guess im not against it; i just dont understand how someone can overlook the evidence for the reactivation temperature of carbon.

just dont base the proof that it works to deer not being busted, or killing deer while wearing a garment. Success can not be attributed to a clothings ability to trap scent. you killed your two bucks because you are a proficient hunter,from what you type on here, youhunted smart, and were in the right area at the right time. Not because you wore a certain jacket.


im out,i think :D,come on turkey season! after all, they dont have noses. you are a good guy, anyone can tell that, so whats the point of arguing about the effectiveness of a piece of camo with you.

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I'll say it again, Don't buy the stuff. I'll get it at a more reasonable price then. If it wasn't that I don't wish hard times on anyone, I could care less how the thing turns out. Scent lok has never tried to make friends, just get whatever they could. The compitition does the same. It's all pathetic.

Hind sight is 20 20. I could have predicted this thread if I would have thought it through. One of the first threads on this subject was before opening day ie people were in the mood to buy stuff. Now it's just before christmas, people in the mood again. Funny that

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I'll quote myself this time... why does it matter what one person believes and what one doesn't? If it works for you, good, use it with confidence. If it doesn't, good, don't spend your money on it. It's simple as that, not worth getting heated over it, at least not till after the season ends, then of course we need some entertainment.:)

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Hey, everybody KNOWS it's not how good you are, it's HOW GOOD YOU LOOK doing it.....:D:D

I'm actually looking at this both ways, because to be honest I can't prove one way or the other. I keep hearing atlasman say it can't work, and the lab saying it can, and does. I know atlasman has a career of experience and schooling behind him, so he's certainly no idiot. Do I think he has the knowledge to speak about this? Yes. That being said, I don't know didly squat about it. If someone can show me that SL paid off the lab to falsify the results, I'm out. Period. When this suit is over, if same is proven, I'm out. Do I know that marketing plays a HUGE roll in advertising?? ABSOLUTELY. There's not a single product out there that doesn't use marketing strategy to make it seem like you can't succeed if you're not using their product.

Ok, anyway, to further my education here.....Honest question.

Is regeneration and reactivation the same thing? If not, what's the difference?

And atlas, just for clarification....You're not saying that a pristine piece of SL, never exposed to air, can not adsorb odor, corrrect? You're saying it cannot be made "clean" by your average household dryer.....

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I normally would stay out of such a thread... fear I guess. But this thread has gone on far too long to ignore anymore. It is very clear that many on here do not understand what is actually going on with the scent lok trial.. it is also clear that many don't even know who's sueing who?

For the heated debatees... I do wear scent-lok and enjoy a rigorous routine of scent eliminating products. Do I believe they eliminate 100% of my scent.. No.. I do not. I was not, nor have ever been, COMPLETELY nieve! But I do believe in increasing my odds in the woods each and every time I go into them. If Scent Lok increases my odds of killing a whitetail from 250-1 to 249-1... I'll GLADLY take those odds... Thank You.

About the trial.. it is sad really. Five Minnesota no-name hunters are the ones filing the suit. If it stands they will stand to make MUCH MUCH money. It is that reason and that reason alone I implore you to reconsider your stance on being "happy" a company is ever being sued. They are claiming the product does not work.. as they have NO BIG BUCKS to claim. They believe the product did not work 100% effectively.. they are sueing the advertising of Scent Lok really.. and nothing more. They even complain of conspiracy.. like Scent Lok took out Kennedy or something. The 5 hunters actually claim BPS, Gander, Cabelas and several others are ALL in it together!

It doesn't take a smart person to read through the countless pages of the lawsuit and realize what these 5 hunters are after. Now.. believe what you will on the subject of scent control and hunting. But if you are not using some sort of scent eliminating product you will never realize your potential as a hunter. period.