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It's pointless. If anyone says it works......they're either in the pocket of scent-lok.....or a quack.
OK.....whatever you say. If God told you it worked you'd swear he was wearing Robinson. Oh....I forgot....no scientific evidence. Who's God? I'm out.;) |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Lub.... I followed the mfr.'s instructions. I went to the woods. I killed deer. How did it not "work"? Im not willing to plunk down money on something thats a gimmick. Ifit could be shown scientifically that it worked, it would be a different story. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Atlas...If you're implying I said either of these things....you're barking up the wrong tree. I've hunted with a gun my whole life.......just not for deer. I never made any claims like you cite. You're mistaking "Correllation" with "causation". You're also implying I'm doing the same. What I want to see is....YOUR list of credentials against the sceintist who says it works. One of you is a Bozo....and is up to his eyeballs into being full of ****. |
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And just think ~ with the off season right around the corner we can have months and months of these conversations....
Kinda like every Golf ball claims to be the Longest. Those who can't afford Titleist Pro V1's usually say they are not all what they are advertised either [:-]. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT It's pointless. If anyone says it works. What I would like to see just ONCE.........is someone who "says" or "believes" or has "faith" that it works actually offer even one tiny shred of proof that it does..............instead all we ever hear is "This one time, at bandcamp" stories  I "say" my sweatshirt works.............many people have "said" that cardeer necklaces work. |
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You think dead down wind will get sued for it's claim that a detergent can reactivate these carbon suits?
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I would rather floss my neighbors cat's teeth.....than hunt with a rifle. How's that disparaging to gun hunters? It's a personal opinion. Nothing agaisnt gun hunting.....nor cat teeth flossing.
Take a gun or a bow on any given day of deer season. Which is easier to kill a deer with? Now you don't need to be a freakin scientist to know the answer to this one. So when your credentials are called into question....I am suddenly inflicted with a "complete ignorance of science". Heeeeeeee's BAck!!:D Honestly.....what good does it do to ask for proof.....when all you're gonna do is call the guy offering the proof a quack or a sell-out? What's the point? |
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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d Those who can't afford Titleist Pro V1's usually say they are not all what they are advertised either [:-]. I shot 74 once...............with a Top Flight MAGNA that I found the round before  Who can't afford golf balls? |
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I shot 74 once...............with a Top Flight MAGNA that I found the round before
"Correllation" or "Causation"? And keep practicing, Atlas. 74 isn't that terrible! |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Take a gun or a bow on any given day of deer season. Which is easier to kill a deer with? Now you don't need to be a freakin scientist to know the answer to this one. Many people on here can and haveRobinhood an arrow at normal distances of what 20 -40 yards? Many of us, can so routinely do it, we instruct each other not to shoot at the same dot! How many can shoot a bullet exactly through the previous bullet hole at the normal distance of what 100 yards with a rifle..How about "Off-Hand" ?? ;) Not Many! NOT Many!! |
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ORIGINAL: atlasman ORIGINAL: GMMAT The guys from the independent lab that tested the scent-lok. You mean the lab that was fined millions of dollars for falsifying results for clients who paid them to do "tests"?? Note that I said paid to FALSIFY the results. Not paid to CONDUCT the test. Thank you. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT And I shot 66 a FEW times with a PROV1.;) |
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Plea to Atlasman
I need that lucky shirt:D This is all pointless, just sent me some fibers;) |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I would rather floss my neighbors cat's teeth.....than hunt with a rifle. How's that disparaging to gun hunters? It's a personal opinion. Nothing agaisnt gun hunting.....nor cat teeth flossing. Take a gun or a bow on any given day of deer season. Which is easier to kill a deer with? Now you don't need to be a freakin scientist to know the answer to this one. So when your credentials are called into question. I am suddenly inflicted with a "complete ignorance of science". There is nothing wrong with that.............in fact I find it is quite common in carbon suit owners ;) |
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NOBODY owning the stuff is complaining The liner actually was a pain in the early season because it made me sweat more. Funny how "pro's" wearing this stufff constantly freak when a deer/elk gets down wind of them and winds them on film. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I shot 74 once...............with a Top Flight MAGNA that I found the round before
"Correllation" or "Causation"? And keep practicing, Atlas. 74 isn't that terrible! I guess we do have something in common.............neither one of us could cut it on the PGA tour.........course I never tried ;) |
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that they view gun kills with less admiration then bow kills.......... I believe he was comparing gun kills during gun season with bow kills during bow season. Who questioned my credentials?? I am exiting. Fight amongst yourselves! I guess we do have something in common.............neither one of us could cut it on the PGA tour.........course I never tried ;) Considering I shoot low-mid 80's and I'm sure you were near scratch |
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I love watching grown men bicker (did I spell that correctly?) about silly things like the clothes they wear in the woods.
None of you can ever hassle a womanabout being indecisive over which shoes to wear....ever again. |
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ORIGINAL: atlasman ORIGINAL: GMMAT I shot 74 once...............with a Top Flight MAGNA that I found the round before
"Correllation" or "Causation"? And keep practicing, Atlas. 74 isn't that terrible! I guess we do have something in common.............neither one of us could cut it on the PGA tour.........course I never tried ;) If you smart enough not to be "duped" than good for you..you can laugh at us that buy it. Why would you care what I wear! By now everyone has chosen a side..argue now or argue next month..it's the same thing Atlas says it doesn't work. Jeff feels any benefit is worth it because besides the scentlok feature..it's damn fine camo.. And then there are all the rest who chime in ...who cares..??? |
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Just think of all that good deer habitat that is now being wastedon golf courses.
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Ifit could be shown scientifically that it worked, it would be a different story. ======================================== It does to some degree depend upon what you mean by "worked." Try this: Take some ammonia and put it in a film container. Cover it with ordinary cotton cloth and take a big wiff. Next cover it with a piece of carbon-laced material and do the same...and then tell me there is zero difference. I do not think that you can "eliminate" all human scent with a garment of any type, period. But I do think that human scent is like a radio playing in the woods. You cannot turn it off, but you can most certainly turn it down. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Yes. I view gun kills with less admiration than bow kills. Have you ever gun hunted for deer? I "believe" the name of the thread in question was "Bowkills are easier". Post that in a bowhunting forum and .....well....you know. I am curious as to how yours would stach up against the guy saying SL works. So...I guess I did. But....now that you've told me that the SL scientist is a quack and is guilty of fraud......I guess it's a moot point. I have a better idea.............since you are chirping so loud against me why don't WE compare scientific credentials and see who is "full of ****" I am exiting. Fight amongst yourselves! LOL...Me either!:D  2.6+ of that.....but close enough for an 80-s shooter! |
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ORIGINAL: bawanajim Just think of all that good deer habitat that is now being wastedon golf courses.
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ORIGINAL: bawanajim Just think of all that good deer habitat that is now being wastedon golf courses.
AMEN!!!!! |
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Just for the record, Atlas.....(I guess we are both ignorant).....a "+" hcp. don't go on the upper side of par.
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ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: bawanajim Just think of all that good deer habitat that is now being wastedon golf courses.
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Even if all this arguement is entertaining to read, is it really worth it to argue how somebody else hunts? scent-lock or not, bow or gun, do what YOU are confident with and what works for you. After all anything that helps you be more confident in yourself and your equipment helps and works IMHO.
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Just for the record, Atlas.....(I guess we are both ignorant).....a "+" hcp. don't go on the upper side of par. ;) |
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ORIGINAL: mobow ORIGINAL: atlasman ORIGINAL: GMMAT The guys from the independent lab that tested the scent-lok. You mean the lab that was fined millions of dollars for falsifying results for clients who paid them to do "tests"?? Note that I said paid to FALSIFY the results. Not paid to CONDUCT the test. Thank you. |
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ORIGINAL: mobow ORIGINAL: mobow ORIGINAL: atlasman ORIGINAL: GMMAT The guys from the independent lab that tested the scent-lok. You mean the lab that was fined millions of dollars for falsifying results for clients who paid them to do "tests"?? Note that I said paid to FALSIFY the results. Not paid to CONDUCT the test. Thank you. Sorry mobo.............I NEVER said SL paid to falsify results. Only that Intertek Testing facilities had been fined for doing it. It is public record and a google search will show many results........here is one. http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/963707f9ea3c005d85257359003d480a/d1e4c1a5259d474885256b6800670b01!OpenDocument |
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ORIGINAL: atlasman I don't think you are a fool Dan............however, it is not opinion, it is scientific fact that the garments absolutely cannot work the way they are advertised to work. It is only a matter of time before that truth comes out. There has NEVER been even one sliver of proof that carbon clothes can help you fool a deer's nose..........just anecdotal stories about people saying they saw a deer downwind.......or more deer.........no better or worse then grandpa standing against the tree in greasy clothes and shooting deer. What really amazes me about this subject is that people believe it is a matter of opinion............science, and chemistry especially have no room for opinions. It is black and white or right and wrong.......simple as that. Saying putting on a carbon suit will help you fool a deer's nose is about the same as saying killing a deer is as simple as pointing and shooting...........There's so much more to it then that ;) I don't really remember from past SL threads you have contributed to, but do you have proof that SL can not work in any way to reduce the chances of a deer smelling you, or do you simply believe that it does not work as advertised. There is a big difference between these two, and I guess I don't remember you stating exactly which side of these two you are on. Help us to understand your perspective a bit better. |
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it is scientific fact that the garments absolutely cannot work the way they are advertised to work.
I think that explains it Rick. Albany eh? I'll be up there in a couple weeks. |
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ORIGINAL: Germ Plea to Atlasman I need that lucky shirt:D This is all pointless, just sent me some fibers;) Here ya go buddy...............put this pic in your pack, sit back and watch the karma unfold :D  |
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Atlas Michigan State[:'(]
Man that is it, I am doomed:D I am saving and putting in my pack;) Will see |
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ORIGINAL: atlasman ORIGINAL: Germ Plea to Atlasman I need that lucky shirt:D This is all pointless, just sent me some fibers;) Here ya go buddy...............put this pic in your pack, sit back and watch the karma unfold :D
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ORIGINAL: Germ Atlas Michigan State[:'(] Man that is it, I am doomed:D I am saving and putting in my pack;) Will see You might want to throw a few extra arrowsin that quiver...........just in caseyou have to fight your way through the crowd ;) Michigan's state record is about to bite the dust. :D |
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I remember Cardeer used to make these necklaces and send them to people and some of the swore that is why they killed deer.
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Atlas, I'm looking closely at the pic, are you holding the bucks head up with magic?
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ORIGINAL: MeanV2 Nice Bow!;) Dan That's not a bow Dan............it's a shotgun. ;) You can see my sweatshirt sleeve under my clothes in this pic if it makes you feel any better.  |
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ORIGINAL: BobCo19-65 Atlas, I'm looking closely at the pic, are you holding the bucks head up with magic? Yes :D He was pretty stiff..............these pics are hours after we met............my right leg is holding him up and his neck was stiff enough to do the rest. I thought it looked neat when I saw how it came out too. |
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