WOW WHAT A NEST STIRRED...
CAN ANYONE SEND ME ON HUNTS ALL OVER THE WORLD, HUNT ON GAME FARMS WERE YOU PICK AND CHOOSE YOUR GAME LIKE IN A STORE...HAVE MANUFACTURES GIVE YOU THE LASTEST EQUIPMENT. I CAN WRITE A BOOK TO TO MAKE MORE TO OUT THERE EVEN MORE SO THEN I WILL START MY OWN BOW LINE WITH WHAT I BELIEVE IS A GOOD HUNTING BOW !!!
SORRY BUT IT ISNOT JUST MR. ADAMS, ITS ALL OF THEM ON THE OUTDOOR CHANNEL THAT MAKES ME BITTER. LETS SEE ANY ONE OF THEM SIT ON PUBLIC LAND WERE YOU EVERYONE OUT THERE WITH YOU...WERE YOU GET CHASED OUT OF TREE FROM A SQUIRREL HUNTER OR WATCH SOME ONE WALKING THER DOG.
SO WHOS THE REAL HUNTER????

Bowfanatic,

I also did not say that Chuck Adams would be my choice of a role model for our sport. I don't know anything about his personal life, if he has children, or much of anything else about him.

The whole point of my posts were to point out the unethical hunting behavior of Fred Bear. I was very disappointed when I bought his, and Bob Munger's books, and read their first hand accounts of their hunting experiences. It was not what we saw on The American Sportsman back in the 60's.

If someone were to post, on this bulletin board, about taking 100+ yard shots at running game they would get ridiculed right out of here. Yet we are willing to tolerate, and glorify, this same behavior from someone because it happened 30 years ago and they became famous because of their exposure on TV.

Bashin the Bear...shame on you all...

In the day and age of PC..I guess he would be an outcast..but I saw him on those American Sportsman shows...he shot pheasants...out of the air...

I guess I'll just have to read the books..



~Will Hunt For Food~

I love reading post like this! Thanks for all the info its very informative. Regardless of both of their ethics, reasons, or anything else you have to respect what they've accomplished. I hate Mike Tyson as a person but as a boxer he is one of the greatest. He is also probably the single worst role model on earth.

Different times.... different values.... different society. ME, by todays standards I have to go with Chuck Adams. The boy is a hunting machine, does his own thing, spends weeks under horrible conditions to get the right animal whether it's at sea level hunting grizzlies or 14,000 feet in snow after a ram. And then he goes back and does it again and again and again and again. I believe even ole Fred Bear would be in awe of the mans accomplishments in the field. I've met him and talked to him and have been in a some private conversations between him and a major archery manufacture rep in a back room. He's a nice as can be and seems quite humble up close and personnal. I have no idea why people are so hard on the boy. Dang, even if he's a BAD guy he's a GREAT Hunter. Chuck is reaping some modest benefits now from his success. In the beginning NO one gave him anything. He scraped and clawed until he got to the top. He already had his first Slam before they'd give him more than an atta-boy and a bow. He's written a couple books, because he's been where none of us will likely go. IF you read anything you'll find that his writings were an off shoot of a lot of hunting that happened before. HE was a journalism major I believe .... so he writes. HE says he does it to finance the next hunt. Sounds like a smart man to me. We choose to take in dirty laundry, pump gas, work in a factory or whatever. Well, some of us probably have cleaner clothes if we own a cleaners.... but my choices, resources and path in life haven't allowed me to be a Chuck Adams. No matter what, the guy can out hunt probably anyone on the board in a heart beat. HE's done it all, been there and back many times with all kinds of critters. Give him his due.

Edited by - davidmil on 01/29/2003 11:13:50

Think about if Fred Bear had the equipment we have today. Then how good do you think he would have been?

Try doing a search on Chuck Adams. There are several about him but I don't see one that is his.

JUST HOLD ON THAE WtHunter:...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>... in the hands of an expert who is ONE with his bow, the equipment of yesteryear is NO disadvantage.

Have you ever heard of Howard Hill? There are some folks who are truly in a different class when it comes to shooting ability.What's unethical is taking a shot beyond your abilities.For some folks that could be thirty yards at a still deer.While today it is illegal to hunt the same day you fly in alaska back then it was common to spot game from the air.And who does'nt enjoy a good toddy around the campfire.Fred was a pioneer who helped bring bowhunting into the mainstream of american life.Chuck Adams is just a hunting machine.He paid a lot of dues to get where he is today.Many of his trophies are from public land and semi guided hunts in remote places.And he did all that with an old round wheel bow and heavy aluminum arrows.Just goes to show the equipment does not make the man,it's the other way around.Geez I can hear my old Kodiak Magnum rattling around in the closet.I better go check on it.

CB

WHACKEM N STACKEM

What is wrong with any of the things you mention about Fred?

He lined his own pockets is that a bad thing? He gave many patents to the industry to build the sport. What's wrong with making money. Are you running for comunist of the year?

He drank while he hunted. There is nothing imoral about that. It may be illegal these days, but that is a practical issue. If you are in the middle of the Alaska wilderness with a bow and a bottle, all I can say is it sounds like a good place for you.

There is nothing wrong with shooting on the same day that you flew. What's next, are we going to vilify all the archery greats who hunted on days that might currently be out of season, or for species that were treated as vermin then, but are now game animals?

Long shots ethicaly is iffy, but then that was comon back then. And I think to some extent ethical. Every hunter has a safe range. Fred Bear is probably as safe at the distances you mention as any newbie might be today. To me this is a social issue. Nowadays we hunt for fun largely, few of us could really say we need to do it to put meat on the table. I think if the guys from the past came forward to see the laser rangefinder tiddly winks game we have made of an honourable chore, they would be shocked at us. but back then what justified hunting was the need for meat, even though FB was a sportsman, that was the backdrop. If I was starving, and had more arrows than meat, I would take a 100 yard shot too. That may not be what was going through the archer's mind, but it was the backdrop. The other thing which isn't perhaps ethical, was the fact that they were promoting archery. The general view was that archery tackle couldn't kill anything, and was weak. So you see pictures of Fred abusing his bows, and making heroic shots. Was he right to do so, maybe not, but that is what made the sport appealing to then contemporaries. Obviously it is unsporting to use all the gear we use now to make the sport easier. Any time you decide to make the sport easier for you at possibly a higher chance of wounding for the animal, you could be accused of the same thing Bear did with long shots. There are tons of examples of that kind of thing in archery today. Including long shots. Look in the mirror first.



Edited by - ossage on 01/29/2003 18:53:21

Chuck Adams sure is a great bowhunter, that guy knows what he is doing for sure. Probably one of the best out there today!
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