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Baiting and releasing deer to kill is no worse than me putting on some after shave and putting on my best to attract the ladies.[8D][8D]

That said, I know what you mean about some shows... but really, calling Christine and Justin slob hunters... Shame on you

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The primo's show I mentioned two of the hunts ended with the hunters getting busted, but it was very exciting, the one hunt a huge bull walked up about 5 yards from the hunter the other one Will Primo could not get a shot on a 6X7 that came into about twenty yards.

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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! I love when dumb people bitch!!!

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I enjoy the Primos show. They just really seem to genuinely enjoyhunting and have allot of fun with each other.

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Let me preface this by saying this is totally my personal opinion, BUT...

I believe that most of the beef with hunting shows comes from some folks that are green with envy knowing that someone is out there hunting dream locations with free equipment, filming their hunts, and getting paid for it. I would be willing to bet that these people that are being complained about would still be out there hunting just like the rest of us if they didn't have the opportunities that have. They have been given the golden ticket and are living the dream and some of us average Joes can't handle that it's not us. I'm cool with it (although I can't say I'm not envious) and wish them the best.

Again, JMHO.

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Not really HuntingBry... the beef that most have is they've become commercials and so many are so phony. They take hunting further and further from hunting. Today most of them are comedy specials and in your face crap. They're not the hunting tradition at it's best by a long shot.

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I use my remote control and change the channel. I don't watch too many hunting shows anymore for some of the reasons already given in previous posts. Too much of it isn't reality, too commercialized and too may instances of poor judgment. I only watch Deer and Deer Hunting anymore.

So just change the channel

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I think one thing you guys are missing are the hundreds of hours some of these guys put in a stand or blind to shoot these animals. You act like these guys go out and the first hour in the stand they shoot a 160".

I know for a fact (because I had him hunting with me in Kansas) that it took Waddell 3 years of hunting to shoot his buck in Kansas with his bow.

There are good shows with legit hunters and bad shows with not so legit hunters.

IMO Waddell, Drurys, Lee and Tiffany,Jay Gregory, Will Primos---These guys are the legit good ones.

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Very well said!

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IMO... Waddell and Lee and Tiffany are a comedy act. Just too much crap... like Waddell sitting with ear phone on listening to music and singing out loud and making like he's playing a guitar and then saying, "I don't know why they won't come out". And all the over used words that to me are away from the hunting tradition, such as I put the smackdown on him, that's what I'm talkin' bout etc etc. And the Drury boys with this dream season soap opera with splitting up couples and people that have never shot a bow is just too much. Primos are good. Gregory OK. There are better.

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H.B. I haveto reply to your post this way ...I do not resent anyone who hunts legally which I would think most of the TV hunters do (exception Noel Feather ..Roland Martin)...what I take issue with is them trying to pass it off as real "do it yourself" kind of hunt .... I have no problems with hunting a ranch (low fence) or using an outfiitter ...BUT these guys are suppose to be Pro's ...they should not need to hunt a ranch OR need an Outiffter (here in the US) to be successful ..once in awhile no problem but SOME of these guy's seem to hunt ranch's most all the time which tells me their just in it to make a show or sell their product ...some of these ranch's have so many bucks that you could use a rubber chicken as a call and a buck would show up... JMO

dd

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I think Tred Barta has a great hunting show. As well as jim shockey those are the two i watch the most.

My hunting partners and i are putting out a DVD next year about our hunting trips this year. We showed everything from scouting to sitting in blinds and on stand right through to the gutting and processing of the deer. We are trying to do something different and show how much work it actually takes to kill a deer.

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True for some shows not true for others.
I talked quite alot with Dave Watson when his show started figured out pretty quick I wouldn't want to hunt for a living. I just call it like I see it.

A very bad comedy act.

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Very bad acting as well.

Tiffany is definately a looker, but that is the point. How many of you would tune into that show if she wasn't good looking?

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Wow what a thread.
I guess I'll preface my statement by saying that I AM jealous. There I said it.

That being said, my problem with all of these shows is that just because these people are on TV they are suddenly hunting "experts". I will concede that some of them probably are experts (eg Jim Shockey) but many simply have the luxury of money and time. I would bet that there is a great number of people on this site that would kill just as many big bucks as the so-called "experts" if they had the same luxuries. Ask yourself: How good of a hunter could I be if it was my full time job and money and land were no object? I would bet we could all be pretty good but even then the "experts" seem to still need help.

For example, I never really had a problem with Stan Potts, but I saw him kill a huge buck at an outfitter in Illinois a couple weeks ago and it occurred to me "If Stan Potts is such a great hunter why does he need to pay outfitters in his own state?" You're telling me that NAW can't provide their "star" with land to hunt on? Maybe he's not so great. Maybe he's a TV personality that is under intense pressure to kill big bucks on film and he has no choice but go through outfitters in his home state because he doesnt have the time to put into managing property let alone doing all the other work.

Let me also say that the pressure to produce is probably what drives many of them to do the questionable things we all complain about. Like the Drurys getting Illinois archery permitsjust by calling the DNR director and not going through the lottery with everyone else who wants to hunt here (there is proof of that). It wasn't illegal but it certainly made me lose respect for the Drurys for all time. They play themselves off as though they're just like everyone else, but they obviously are not.

I also like how every showfilmed in TX never admits they are baiting.I would bet they do it because many people wouldnt understand (not to mention the age-old arguments about it). It doesnt bother me. I lived in northern michigan and baited too. Its just what a lot of people did there but I still think the tv showsshould man up and at least acknowledge it.

OK I've rambled on enough.

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I hope like hell this isn't you

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Pretty sure it is. This was a bit before my time on this site I think, but still pretty sure it's him.

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I completely agree! I will admit that I am a bit envious ofpeople who can regularly hunt places like they do on Tecomate, however, I'm not going to hate on them, because if I had the means to so, I wouldown a place just like it!

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another thing that you nay sayers need to realize is that the hunters on these programs are out there for a week or two..we only see the 23 min or so (give or take a few 30sec commercials) that makes for good tv. Like a previous poster noted...who wants to sit and watch someone else sitting and watching ??????? that just dosent make any sense!!! these programs are there to get our attention...and what gets it is...BIG DEER !!! So that is what they go out and film. Personally I enjoy most of these shows espically GC....cause Tiffany really is fun to look at !! AC cause Ralph and Vicky are fun and entertaining !! Realtree shows with Waddel cause hes wild and crazy and I can relate to him !! Primos shows cause i look up to Will and what hes done with his company!! Jim Shockey.....the encounters that guy gets on film are incredible!! and ofcoarse Ted Nugent .... that man gets just as excited "layin the smack down" on "some slickheads" as he does when he arrows a "big mature buck" and being able to say"BBD". ( had to use some of the overly used verbage to make a point). Anyway..I think ive said my piece..take care and good luck to all the remaining weeks of the season .....oh yeah and Im with the fellow Michiganders.....Fred Troust..Ruled !!.....RIP !!!!

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Ya know I was actually giving "this" discussion some thought last night. When I say "this discussion" I am not necessarily referring to this thread but the entire issue of our TV hunting shows and their representation of hunting.

I so often see how folks are complaining that the shows are unrealistic (and, in comparison to my experiences with hunting, they are). However, would folks really watch them if they actually depicted what hunting was like for the rest of us? Seriously? I mean, would you watch a bare stand of hardwoods for 3-4 hours not seeing anything other than a squirrel or two and some woodpeckers flying from tree to tree? You might as well call it the Nature Channel if you are going to do that. ;) I do not think many folks would watch it, I really don't.

What these shows do is focus on the adrenaline rush that goes with watching deer activity leading up to harvesting an animal. I think if you ask alot of folks whether or not they had a good day out in the field then their response will be based on whether or not they saw deer and/or if a shot opportunity presented itself. "Real hunting" in my experience means days afield when you do not see animals and/or you are seeing animals that are not even remotely close enough for a shot. Would you guys really watch that?

I mean it is one thing when we are actually in that situation, ourselves, but would you want to spend your free time at home actually watching someone else not seeing something? These shows have a half hour to summarize several days worth of hunting. What would you rather watch the 90% of the time that some of these guys are not seeing anything or the 10% of the time that animals are actually around them? (I do think they could do a better job of relating the fact that they did spend several days out there of not seeing anything)

Let me be sure to clarify something, I am not trying to defend the practices of some of the hunting shows on network televisionbut rather trying to explain, from point of view, why we see some of things we do on these hunting programs. I watch some of them but usually only the ones that I find I can relate to. In my case that typically means whitetail deer hunting and usually with a bow. I have no interest in African game animals nor do I have interest in some of the other hunting scenarios that these guys put themselves into. I will never have a day where I see 130-150 class bucks "milling around in front me" while I sit in a treestand waiting for something bigger to show up. It just isn't realistic for where I hunt but, it is entertaining to watch someone else in that same situation.

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Your kidding right? More like 3-5 day hunts.

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It is. Stick around and you'll see it many more times along with a few other select pics.;)

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I only read through a few pages of this thread, but the one thing that really caught my attention was all of the assumptions and accusations made by people who have no idea how the TV show industry really works. The whole "I have no idea what I'm really talking about, but I'm going to talk about it anyways!" syndrome.

The only thing I read that I really believe in, and that irritates me as well, are people who I know are not experts or even close to it, getting on TV and pretending tobe something they're not. That pisses me off. Asdoes people taking or making bad shots and then fist-pumping and acting like they just made agreat shot even though they "hit him a little further back than I wanted, but I think the arrow was angling up in him pretty good". The only thing I ask from a TV show is not to blow smoke up my butt. We all know the differencebetweenright and wrong, so taking bad shots is completely unacceptible to me. Making a bad shot when presented with a good opportunity happens to all of us, so when it happens show the TRUE emotions, not some made-up BS.

With that said, there was a comment about Stan Potts that kinda threw me for a loop. Something about how he may not be a great hunter b/c he hunts with outfitters and NAW should find a spot for him to hunt, yadda yadda.First of all, the guykilled more big bucks than most of us will ever see WAY before TV shows and Outfitters were what they are today. Secondly, he spends a LOT of time managing and consulting for outfitters here in IL during the off-season, helping to make sure they've got the best deer andstand setups possible. So when he's hunting with an outfitter you can rest assured thathe did all of his own scouting and hung his own stands. The guy isn't an average client who they put in a stand and tell them to sit here until a buck walks by, which isagain the popular assumption of a lot of people who may never have been on aguided hunt in their lives.In the real world, which is not where a lot of you guys live, a GOOD outfitter's success ratio on harvesting mature bucks with a bow is right around 25%. So basically you've got a 1 in 4 shot of killing a buck during a guided hunt with a respected outfitter, hunting on the best trophy-managed ground in the country. It's not quite as easy as shooting fish in a barrel like many people believe. But hey, feel free to keep living your lives based on assumptions and wild accusations. It seems to have worked so far.

So nowwhy would NAW want to fork out possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy a piece of land for this guy to hunt on, when they can leverage their name and the fact that they do have aTV show to get Stan Potts some free hunts with outfitters that have leased up all the best ground? Keep in mind that at the end of the day it's a business, and it's all about making money. The only way to do that is to get sponsors, and the only way to do that is to kill big bucks. You guys do the math.

I'll leave it at this - take everything on TV for what it is - entertainment.It'scalled the Boob Tube for a reason. ;)

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Amen, Brother, Amen.

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NO truer words spoken then THIS about THIS subject ....its NO longer a "sport" to these guy's BUT a business ...BIG $$$ and a since of "what ever it takes to get'er done" ......Justin you just hit the nail on the head!

dd

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Very good summation ofa lotof the wrongs of TV hunting shows.

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How about a show that has nothing but deer footage. Just filming big deer and watching their behavoir. That's all I watch these shows for anyway. Just to see the big deer. Maybe have a segment about some tips on setting up stands or where to put a stand or tips on calling, etc. From what I am reading into this, the problem everyone has with these shows is the people, not the deer.

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Guys,I couldn't help but to comment after seeing an episode( I honestly don't know the name of or the hunter) He was trying to bowhunt from the ground,(deer stands are unethical to some) He busts into a small piece of timber, deer running everywhere, he's running everywhere, sounds like a herd of cattle. The hunter and camera man are talking loudly to each other. They continue to walk and stalk andthe deer just keep coming. He gets a shot at about 25 yards, misses.Gets another and hits the deer way back and we get thebigcheesy smile, a high five ,and whatseemed as an obvious next day recovery without any mention of it. My non huntingwifejokingly said"maybe thats the way you should do it, just walk in there and chase them around a little". I Guess I really stirred it up huh? Had no idea of the response this would get, but now I'm even getting tired of keeping up with the posts. So lets move on.

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OK here is the deal, a lot of people are saying I am sick of how it is getting too commercialized. Well do you have any idea how much it cost to be on a network the is broadcasted in over 40+ million homes??? Do you have any idea how much an HD camera cost??? It cost an ungodly amount. If those commercials where not there you would have nothing to bit ch about because there would be no show. As for the people on tv, most are truly great hunters, they have made a name for themselves in some aspect of the hunting field. Bad shots happen, I have made mistakes, and so have you. As for the fist pump, have you ever made a shot that you thought was right on but infact it was a little farther back??? It happens. You dont like watching the commercials than fine we will take them off and you have nothing but the Laguna Beach and Home Shopping Network to watch.

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You mean you don't want to watch a guy eating pop tarts or brushing his teeth ?

I honestly think Stan Potts lives and breathes hunting unlike people like Jimmy Houston, Babe Winkleman and so many others that had some name recognition and suddenly are white tail experts.

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You are correct and IMO, that is exactly the reason so many hunters have a problem with the enire thing. I don't care who you are, but when you take a passion and away of life and something you were raised doing and turn in into "a business" and "all about the Money" it can leave a bad taste insome people'smouth...........[:'(].

My only question is how did it get to this point..........a business.....and all about the money?

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Stan Potts' crazy eye scares me.

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Fred Troust died? I had no idea...I live in Canada, western Canada and used to watch his show on the satellite and loved it...what a shame!

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Good point.

Hunting is by its nature somewhat controversial. There are many regional differences and those differences get underscored by these TV shows. Texans hunting near feeders is a foreign concept to many hunters, just as hunting bears over bait can seem outlandish even to a non-hunter, but not all hunting is the same.

I've been watching the Drury videos for years. My hunting partner has all of them and he loves watching them over and over so I've been pretty familiar with them.

In their early days, they were excited to kill a buck in th 130's. Now they pass on bucks much bigger. Did they suddenly become "better" hunters? Of course not. They're doing a number of things differently...

They're managing their land differently and they're also hunting on the land of people who charge big dollars to put people in front of big deer. (I know, I know, they probably don't pay, but that's not the point.)

Bottom line is that things have changed and money has changed it. Money has a way of doing that in all things and hunting is no different.

The good thing about all this is that these shows promote hunting and they keep it in front of millions of Americans. It is naturally going to be more accepted by the general public if it portrays people enjoying themselves and taking animals for food and tradition.

If the hunting shows were to stop today, we'd all lose. The screwball anti's like PETA would have the chance to make it look like something that few people do, something unnecessary. As it stands now, PETA and their cronies can't say it isn't popular, because its there almost every day on TV.

We all have our opinions on how it should be portrayed and we will never reach a meaningful consensus.

Watch what you like. Ignore the rest and enjoy what we're all blessed to have in America...a chance to enjoy the outdoors.

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Of all the big name hunters, Stan Potts would be about the only one I would go out of my way to meet. He knows how to hunt and is very good at it. He also seemsdown to earth. I bet most of us could learn a few things from him. Would be fun talking to him.

Tim

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I will agree on one thing---Its all about money.
As for Stan Potts --He has killed some big deer, lots of big deer-far more than any of us will ever have chance to and he deserves credit for it. But still he is in it for the money.
As far as the Drury's ---remember the the "Illinoiscourtisy deer tag " deal??? People getting tags without going thru the application prcocess and getting tags after the lottery and drawing deadlines snd getting tags for counties that were "sold out"???????????????????

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Has anyone heard about the new show Bass Pro is supposed to be coming out with. I hear it's supposed to be quite a bit different than most of what we've been seeing.