Stopping Deer
11-30-2007 | 01:07 PM
#21
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Stopping Deer
I have shot one walking
I have let some walk by and not try to stop them
I have stopped one and shot it.
I have decided to take it one deer at a time. Let the situation dictate what I do. I will tell you this for sure, I will not try and stop one after MI's gun season. A loud fart will send them running, and they just run, no looking up in the tree to see what made thet noise.
I have let some walk by and not try to stop them
I have stopped one and shot it.
I have decided to take it one deer at a time. Let the situation dictate what I do. I will tell you this for sure, I will not try and stop one after MI's gun season. A loud fart will send them running, and they just run, no looking up in the tree to see what made thet noise.
11-30-2007 | 01:07 PM
#22
Typical Buck
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RE: Stopping Deer
I've noticedmore thanonce whenwatching huntingvids that some monster deer have been spooked out of range trying to stop them with a mouth bleat/grunt or snort-wheeze when they would havewaltzedby inshooting range without any real need to stop them. That being said, I'd much rather shoot at a stationary target, but I usually hit them in stride unless they are at a trot and I need to stop them. Luckily, I haven't spooked one yet. I have given some thought to getting a hands-free inhale grunt call to try to make it a more realistic sound than by mouth alone. Anyone use the hands-free calls?
11-30-2007 | 01:21 PM
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RE: Stopping Deer
ORIGINAL: Germ
I have shot one walking
I have let some walk by and not try to stop them
I have stopped one and shot it.
I have decided to take it one deer at a time. Let the situation dictate what I do. I will tell you this for sure, I will not try and stop one after MI's gun season. A loud fart will send them running, and they just run, no looking up in the tree to see what made thet noise.
I have shot one walking
I have let some walk by and not try to stop them
I have stopped one and shot it.
I have decided to take it one deer at a time. Let the situation dictate what I do. I will tell you this for sure, I will not try and stop one after MI's gun season. A loud fart will send them running, and they just run, no looking up in the tree to see what made thet noise.
I actually started thinking about this years ago. I always made a sound to stop the deer and almost inevitably after the shot they took off like a rocket. This left me with some very long and time consuming tracking jobs. If the deer was hit good, he would be a hundred or so yards away, no big deal...BUTif it wasn't as good a hit as I would have liked the deer was recovered many hundreds of yards away and sometimes after a day or so of searching.[:@]
As I started to analyze what was happening I started to think about how easy it was to find my deer that I didn't have to stop (ones that just came in and stopped on their own before I could even give them a short "maaa").
So Idecided tostop arbitrarily "stopping deer" with a mouth call and found what I have already posted. For the most part, I have found that relaxed deer at the time of the shot will not run as far away even with a less than perfect hit. In fact considerably less.
11-30-2007 | 08:42 PM
#24
Fork Horn
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RE: Stopping Deer
Well 2 years ago I tried stopping a deer that was walking by at a fast trot, probably less than 10 yards away. It jumped about 10 feet in the air and ran about as fast as a cheetah away from me, needless to say I did not get a shot off and was left saying to myself why theheck didn't I just put the pin on him shoot and follow through...
I believe that same year I watched a buck come by me about 20 yards away, but it was way too dark at the time. That buck (at a slow trot), kicked a small brush pile, making noise, and scared himself bad enough to jump up and run for 10-20 yards or so.
So I will not be stopping deer anytime soon, not saying that is the right way, just my way, I would rather shoot at a deer that isn't on alert. Deer being the way they are (paranoid), there probably isn't a right answer that works 100% all of the time.
I believe that same year I watched a buck come by me about 20 yards away, but it was way too dark at the time. That buck (at a slow trot), kicked a small brush pile, making noise, and scared himself bad enough to jump up and run for 10-20 yards or so.
So I will not be stopping deer anytime soon, not saying that is the right way, just my way, I would rather shoot at a deer that isn't on alert. Deer being the way they are (paranoid), there probably isn't a right answer that works 100% all of the time.
11-30-2007 | 09:30 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Stopping Deer
I decided not to "maahhh" at deer anymore because I got to thinking, what if your specific "maahhh" at that pitch or tone means, hey imma beat the living !@#$ out of you, in deer language? -or- your "maahhh" sounds like the equivalent of a superdeep-voiced 250lb brunette looking for a willing participant? Thus I've settled on a "pssst" becauseI think deer will investigate any sound that isn't threatening to them.
I wont stop slow walking orbrowsing deer though.
I wont stop slow walking orbrowsing deer though.
11-30-2007 | 09:51 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Stopping Deer
BigJ has a point though. If I were a deer and heard some out of the ordinary noise putting me on alert followed by excruciating pain in my side and abdomen, I'd spendthe last2 minof my liferunning as fast and far away as I could. In that time, considering I can run 40mph, I'd be 300 plus yards away before I even thought about slowing down.
Conversely, and because I don't know any better, if I didn't hear any noise alerting me at all, then there was just a sudden pain, I'd move out of the immediate way then look back to see what the heck just happened. In this last2 min of my life, I wouldn't have gone far from where I first felt the pain. Then of course I'd just lay down or drop dead. It could definitelymean the difference in recovery or not.
Directly related,I really do believe that the buck I shot this year would've gone a helluvalot farther if he knew that there was a guy with some sharp sticks in a tree just 70ish yards away from where he decided to stop then plop over. He lived about 2min between me shooting him and him falling over, all 4 legs fully extended.
Conversely, and because I don't know any better, if I didn't hear any noise alerting me at all, then there was just a sudden pain, I'd move out of the immediate way then look back to see what the heck just happened. In this last2 min of my life, I wouldn't have gone far from where I first felt the pain. Then of course I'd just lay down or drop dead. It could definitelymean the difference in recovery or not.
Directly related,I really do believe that the buck I shot this year would've gone a helluvalot farther if he knew that there was a guy with some sharp sticks in a tree just 70ish yards away from where he decided to stop then plop over. He lived about 2min between me shooting him and him falling over, all 4 legs fully extended.
11-30-2007 | 10:09 PM
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RE: Stopping Deer
ORIGINAL: BigJ71
This time of the year is great (obviously) for reading about hunting stories and such. One thing I've noticed though is a lot of hunters will call out to deer to get them to stop so they can shoot them usually with a "maaa" or something of the sort.
While I have done this myself on more than one occasion, I only do it if the deer is on a good pace and I don't think I can make a clean shot. If the deer in just slowly walking I won't make a sound and I will shoot them mid stride or when they stop to browse or what have you.
I've actually been studying this for some time and there is areason why. I have found that approximately 90% of the deer I shot that I had to call to stop have ran out of sight, most of them pretty far (over 100yds) before dying.
Conversely, approximately 90% of the deer I shotwithout making any sound,fall within sight (under 50yds). Most of the time they will react to the impact and run for a bit then stop or continue walking until they fell over just as my deer did this year.
I believe the deer that hear your mouth call, stop to look to see where the sound is coming from and automatically go on alert. I think they know what they heard just wasn't quite right and are ready to bolt but being curious animals they hesitate. When they get hit by an arrow they now KNOW something is wrong, instinct kicks in and they flee.
If they don't hear a sound, and are not on alert,all they can compute is a sudden pain. They react to it but then calm down quickly. Nature is a rough customer and deer get injured a lot. Deer don't have the brain capacity to compute things like us and can't reason out what just happened. This is why (IMO) the deer have reacted the way they do.
I've been studying this for many years now...it just takes time to gather the data.
Just thought I'd share my findings....opinions anyone?
This time of the year is great (obviously) for reading about hunting stories and such. One thing I've noticed though is a lot of hunters will call out to deer to get them to stop so they can shoot them usually with a "maaa" or something of the sort.
While I have done this myself on more than one occasion, I only do it if the deer is on a good pace and I don't think I can make a clean shot. If the deer in just slowly walking I won't make a sound and I will shoot them mid stride or when they stop to browse or what have you.
I've actually been studying this for some time and there is areason why. I have found that approximately 90% of the deer I shot that I had to call to stop have ran out of sight, most of them pretty far (over 100yds) before dying.
Conversely, approximately 90% of the deer I shotwithout making any sound,fall within sight (under 50yds). Most of the time they will react to the impact and run for a bit then stop or continue walking until they fell over just as my deer did this year.
I believe the deer that hear your mouth call, stop to look to see where the sound is coming from and automatically go on alert. I think they know what they heard just wasn't quite right and are ready to bolt but being curious animals they hesitate. When they get hit by an arrow they now KNOW something is wrong, instinct kicks in and they flee.
If they don't hear a sound, and are not on alert,all they can compute is a sudden pain. They react to it but then calm down quickly. Nature is a rough customer and deer get injured a lot. Deer don't have the brain capacity to compute things like us and can't reason out what just happened. This is why (IMO) the deer have reacted the way they do.
I've been studying this for many years now...it just takes time to gather the data.
Just thought I'd share my findings....opinions anyone?
I HATE to stop deer but when hunting thickets with small shooting windows,it is a necessary evil but please remember that when stopping a deer,SHOOT LOW as I forgot to do so this year and it cost me a deer.I had everything pegged on this deer but I HAD to stop it in a lane but she looked at me when I did and I forgot to shoot low,she ducked to bolt and I missed.(only time I have ever had this happen and I have missed before)
I have killed deer as far out as 34 yards walking and didn't stop them and you just have quicker recoveries if you can do it that way.
Shooting a walking deer is not hard at all,the biggest mistake people make is trying to time the release.Get on the animal with the pin and rotate at the hips with the animals stride and just squeeze the shot off as you rotate.Follow through as if you are shooting a shotgun and more often than not,the animal will be killed quickly.
11-30-2007 | 11:06 PM
#29
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Stopping Deer
ORIGINAL: Germ
I have shot one walking
I have let some walk by and not try to stop them
I have stopped one and shot it.
I have decided to take it one deer at a time. Let the situation dictate what I do. I will tell you this for sure, I will not try and stop one after MI's gun season. A loud fart will send them running, and they just run, no looking up in the tree to see what made thet noise.
I have shot one walking
I have let some walk by and not try to stop them
I have stopped one and shot it.
I have decided to take it one deer at a time. Let the situation dictate what I do. I will tell you this for sure, I will not try and stop one after MI's gun season. A loud fart will send them running, and they just run, no looking up in the tree to see what made thet noise.
But yes big John, the ones that have been put on alert even with a bleat seam to go much farther than ones that didn't have a clue.
Shot one in Kansas that was smelling some JVS I had out and just gave a glance toward the bownois and went right back to smelling the JVS after the arrow had went through him till his legs would no longer hold his body weight, and quite a few others over the years that would just jump and look to see what just stung them or bolt for a short distance then stop look back and then just fall over. On the other hand I cant think of one that I stoped with a bleat, grunt, or even a whistle (back in the 70's) that did not burn rubber till they melted away.
11-30-2007 | 11:14 PM
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RE: Stopping Deer
ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker
Saved me some typing!
But yes big John, the ones that have been put on alert even with a bleat seam to go much farther than ones that didn't have a clue.
Shot one in Kansas that was smelling some JVS I had out and just gave a glance toward the bownois and went right back to smelling the JVS after the arrow had went through him till his legs would no longer hold his body weight, and quite a few others over the years that would just jump and look to see what just stung them or bolt for a short distance then stop look back and then just fall over. On the other hand I cant think of one that I stoped with a bleat, grunt, or even a whistle (back in the 70's) that did not burn rubber till they melted away.
ORIGINAL: Germ
I have shot one walking
I have let some walk by and not try to stop them
I have stopped one and shot it.
I have decided to take it one deer at a time. Let the situation dictate what I do. I will tell you this for sure, I will not try and stop one after MI's gun season. A loud fart will send them running, and they just run, no looking up in the tree to see what made thet noise.
I have shot one walking
I have let some walk by and not try to stop them
I have stopped one and shot it.
I have decided to take it one deer at a time. Let the situation dictate what I do. I will tell you this for sure, I will not try and stop one after MI's gun season. A loud fart will send them running, and they just run, no looking up in the tree to see what made thet noise.
But yes big John, the ones that have been put on alert even with a bleat seam to go much farther than ones that didn't have a clue.
Shot one in Kansas that was smelling some JVS I had out and just gave a glance toward the bownois and went right back to smelling the JVS after the arrow had went through him till his legs would no longer hold his body weight, and quite a few others over the years that would just jump and look to see what just stung them or bolt for a short distance then stop look back and then just fall over. On the other hand I cant think of one that I stoped with a bleat, grunt, or even a whistle (back in the 70's) that did not burn rubber till they melted away.
She was part of my "case study".....Yes all in the name of science.
Now if I can only get some one to finance me....a grant perhaps?