POLL: Can you buy hunting success?
11-12-2007 | 04:56 PM
#33
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RE: POLL: Can you buy hunting success?
Definately! I could name a few big shots who just do that! I've never been on a guided hunt and don't plan on it, cost to much anyway and its not my thing!
11-12-2007 | 05:31 PM
#34
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RE: POLL: Can you buy hunting success?
i agree with the whole outfitter debate to a extent...
how is somone from the eastern US supposed to go out west with no contacts out there, set up camp (out of what) and hunt land youve never experienced before for animals you have never even seen in person before?
too many unknowns for someone like me to go out west for a hunt. take my possible MT trip next year. Probably will take my bow for a mule deer/pronghorn combo hunt for 5 days. the outfitter has tens of thousands of acres to hunt, and it is a spot and stalk type hunt. this is basically just paying for food, a good place to hunt, and a place to comfortably sleep. nothing canned about these type hunts.comparable tosomeone leasing a farm for hunting purposes around here.
but then you can compare that to the whitetail hunts around here where all you do is show up to the guys 1000 acre lease and hunt one of his pre hung stands. not much skill required.
outfitters cant be summed up as a canned hunt, IMO.
how is somone from the eastern US supposed to go out west with no contacts out there, set up camp (out of what) and hunt land youve never experienced before for animals you have never even seen in person before?
too many unknowns for someone like me to go out west for a hunt. take my possible MT trip next year. Probably will take my bow for a mule deer/pronghorn combo hunt for 5 days. the outfitter has tens of thousands of acres to hunt, and it is a spot and stalk type hunt. this is basically just paying for food, a good place to hunt, and a place to comfortably sleep. nothing canned about these type hunts.comparable tosomeone leasing a farm for hunting purposes around here.
but then you can compare that to the whitetail hunts around here where all you do is show up to the guys 1000 acre lease and hunt one of his pre hung stands. not much skill required.
outfitters cant be summed up as a canned hunt, IMO.
11-12-2007 | 05:44 PM
#35
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RE: POLL: Can you buy hunting success?
So, if the post you are in disagreement withwould have simply said that they knew the properties have GIANTS on them instead of 200" deer, you would have to agree. I have watched their films as we all have and there is no doubt in my mind that they know before leasing these farms that there are giant deer there, the 200" comment is really irrelevant. Money can buy success in hunting, no doubt.
ORIGINAL: HNIJustin
One last thing I was just thinking about in regards to quick's comment about the Drury's leasing ground if a 200" deer is spotted on it. If in fact this is true, which I have heard this several times, and if money can indeed buy success, then why do neither of them have a 200" deer on their wall?
Here you havetwo of themost widely recognized and unquestionably successful professional deer hunters in the world, hunting the best farms that money can buy, and granted they kill some giants, but nothing in the 200 class. Clearly if all it took was money, they'd have a plethora of them hanging above the fireplace, no?
They are not buying success, they are buying the opportunity to be able to put themselves in a position to achieve success, and I don't blame them or anyone else who does the same one bit. You'll never be successful at meeting your own personal goals if the animals you want to harvest don't exist where you hunt. And if it takes money to get those places, then I guess that's just the way life is. The haves, and the have-nots.
One last thing I was just thinking about in regards to quick's comment about the Drury's leasing ground if a 200" deer is spotted on it. If in fact this is true, which I have heard this several times, and if money can indeed buy success, then why do neither of them have a 200" deer on their wall?
Here you havetwo of themost widely recognized and unquestionably successful professional deer hunters in the world, hunting the best farms that money can buy, and granted they kill some giants, but nothing in the 200 class. Clearly if all it took was money, they'd have a plethora of them hanging above the fireplace, no?
They are not buying success, they are buying the opportunity to be able to put themselves in a position to achieve success, and I don't blame them or anyone else who does the same one bit. You'll never be successful at meeting your own personal goals if the animals you want to harvest don't exist where you hunt. And if it takes money to get those places, then I guess that's just the way life is. The haves, and the have-nots.
11-12-2007 | 05:55 PM
#36
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RE: POLL: Can you buy hunting success?
i also dont buy into alot of the private vs. public land talk. granted public land will recieve pressure, but private land can recieve just as much if not more pressure if you arent hunting huge tracts of land.
i know for a fact that the lands i hunt have more hunters in a say 1000 acre square than land i could hunt if i made the drive over to the 10000 acre WMAs around here and walk into areas that arent easy to access. what can you expect when you hunt 20-100 acre tracts. and all the surrounding neighbors are doing the same.
it just bugs me when people act like public land deer are lightyears smarter or harder to hunt than ANY private land buck.....just dont get it.
i know for a fact that the lands i hunt have more hunters in a say 1000 acre square than land i could hunt if i made the drive over to the 10000 acre WMAs around here and walk into areas that arent easy to access. what can you expect when you hunt 20-100 acre tracts. and all the surrounding neighbors are doing the same.
it just bugs me when people act like public land deer are lightyears smarter or harder to hunt than ANY private land buck.....just dont get it.
11-12-2007 | 06:03 PM
#37
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RE: POLL: Can you buy hunting success?
ORIGINAL: TEmbry15
i agree with the whole outfitter debate to a extent...
how is somone from the eastern US supposed to go out west with no contacts out there, set up camp (out of what) and hunt land youve never experienced before for animals you have never even seen in person before?
too many unknowns for someone like me to go out west for a hunt. take my possible MT trip next year. Probably will take my bow for a mule deer/pronghorn combo hunt for 5 days. the outfitter has tens of thousands of acres to hunt, and it is a spot and stalk type hunt. this is basically just paying for food, a good place to hunt, and a place to comfortably sleep. nothing canned about these type hunts.comparable tosomeone leasing a farm for hunting purposes around here.
but then you can compare that to the whitetail hunts around here where all you do is show up to the guys 1000 acre lease and hunt one of his pre hung stands. not much skill required.
outfitters cant be summed up as a canned hunt, IMO.
i agree with the whole outfitter debate to a extent...
how is somone from the eastern US supposed to go out west with no contacts out there, set up camp (out of what) and hunt land youve never experienced before for animals you have never even seen in person before?
too many unknowns for someone like me to go out west for a hunt. take my possible MT trip next year. Probably will take my bow for a mule deer/pronghorn combo hunt for 5 days. the outfitter has tens of thousands of acres to hunt, and it is a spot and stalk type hunt. this is basically just paying for food, a good place to hunt, and a place to comfortably sleep. nothing canned about these type hunts.comparable tosomeone leasing a farm for hunting purposes around here.
but then you can compare that to the whitetail hunts around here where all you do is show up to the guys 1000 acre lease and hunt one of his pre hung stands. not much skill required.
outfitters cant be summed up as a canned hunt, IMO.
11-12-2007 | 09:11 PM
#38
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RE: POLL: Can you buy hunting success?
I work pretty darn hard for ever penny I earn. Ten to fourteen hour days, seven days a week, are not uncommon. Sheez, I pick up every penny I see in parking lots!I will be damned if I'm going to give it to someone when I feel it's not necessary...
Show of hand please. How many of you feel this same way? I am willing to bet we are all in agreement.
For me, The big question becomes "What is success". Certainly, it isn't killing some old dumb animal that cannot shoot back-guided or unguided. I honestly think there's more to it than that. Don't you? Success is being there. Success is getting the string all the way back without being detected. Success is letting the little ones walk. Success is taking a top quality photograph worthy of your bathroom wall. Success is meeting new friends cut from your very own fabric. Success is sharing a camp with awesome companions. Success is discovering something you didn't know existed. Success is... being fortunate enough to enjoy every day as Godsends it! Shall I go on?
Ya'll are putting way too much importance on the taking of an animal! IMO, that's the icing!
If you can pay for it, then do so. If it is given to you, then graciously accept it! Give something back in return! But, do not, and I mean do not, stop flying your kite at full string. We each know are own capabilities and to what extent we need to stock our shelves. Life is too precious and too short to worry about what others think. Nobody is getting in that coffin with you! Go hunt and have fun! THAT'S SUCCESS!
Show of hand please. How many of you feel this same way? I am willing to bet we are all in agreement.
For me, The big question becomes "What is success". Certainly, it isn't killing some old dumb animal that cannot shoot back-guided or unguided. I honestly think there's more to it than that. Don't you? Success is being there. Success is getting the string all the way back without being detected. Success is letting the little ones walk. Success is taking a top quality photograph worthy of your bathroom wall. Success is meeting new friends cut from your very own fabric. Success is sharing a camp with awesome companions. Success is discovering something you didn't know existed. Success is... being fortunate enough to enjoy every day as Godsends it! Shall I go on?
Ya'll are putting way too much importance on the taking of an animal! IMO, that's the icing!
If you can pay for it, then do so. If it is given to you, then graciously accept it! Give something back in return! But, do not, and I mean do not, stop flying your kite at full string. We each know are own capabilities and to what extent we need to stock our shelves. Life is too precious and too short to worry about what others think. Nobody is getting in that coffin with you! Go hunt and have fun! THAT'S SUCCESS!
11-12-2007 | 09:26 PM
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RE: POLL: Can you buy hunting success?
ORIGINAL: HNIJustin
One last thing I was just thinking about in regards to quick's comment about the Drury's leasing ground if a 200" deer is spotted on it. If in fact this is true, which I have heard this several times, and if money can indeed buy success, then why do neither of them have a 200" deer on their wall?
Here you havetwo of themost widely recognized and unquestionably successful professional deer hunters in the world, hunting the best farms that money can buy, and granted they kill some giants, but nothing in the 200 class. Clearly if all it took was money, they'd have a plethora of them hanging above the fireplace, no?
They are not buying success, they are buying the opportunity to be able to put themselves in a position to achieve success, and I don't blame them or anyone else who does the same one bit. You'll never be successful at meeting your own personal goals if the animals you want to harvest don't exist where you hunt. And if it takes money to get those places, then I guess that's just the way life is. The haves, and the have-nots.
One last thing I was just thinking about in regards to quick's comment about the Drury's leasing ground if a 200" deer is spotted on it. If in fact this is true, which I have heard this several times, and if money can indeed buy success, then why do neither of them have a 200" deer on their wall?
Here you havetwo of themost widely recognized and unquestionably successful professional deer hunters in the world, hunting the best farms that money can buy, and granted they kill some giants, but nothing in the 200 class. Clearly if all it took was money, they'd have a plethora of them hanging above the fireplace, no?
They are not buying success, they are buying the opportunity to be able to put themselves in a position to achieve success, and I don't blame them or anyone else who does the same one bit. You'll never be successful at meeting your own personal goals if the animals you want to harvest don't exist where you hunt. And if it takes money to get those places, then I guess that's just the way life is. The haves, and the have-nots.
And here inlies another misconception......so many people believe that just because the Drury's, and many others that are on TV, are loaded to the gills....throwing money around just to kill big bucks. It's more about who you know than who you....nevermind.
Remember, they were just like all of us at one point.