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I've noticed a lot of post on here lately about "unethical tv shows".

as far as I'm concerned, I'd lot rather see the real deal, than not know what really happened.

I like what Will Primos says at the start of each of his shows.
&quot; this ain't hollywood, this is the truth&quot;.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

as far as worrying about what the anties are gonna think. who cares!
I'm not a Ted Nugent fan, but i think a lot of us need a little Nugent philosophy rubbed off on us.:)

daytona 500 winner- Ward Burton
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Way to go Bullhound finally somebody sees what I'm talking about. I don't care who you are or how good that you are there are too many variables when shooting at a animal at 70 yards to take the chance. Granted caribou don't jump the string and aren't as agile as a deer but still with the wind blowing that hard all the animal has to do is take a step and you have a wounded caribou. I can't help it, it's to risky of a shot to take no matter what your trophy room looks like.

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one more thing, I beleive a hunter should do everthing possible to hit a deer in the vitals. but, a gut shot is not always a bad shot.
I took a doe last week, and gut shot her. she bled out so fast she dropped at about 60 yds.

and my belief is nobody has the right to tell a hunter where,when,how far or what weapon to use. it should be the hunter's decesion perriod!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

daytona 500 winner- Ward Burton
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You know, really, George can take that shot and pull it off just a regularly as I can take a 30 yarder, maybe better. Heck, George can shoot bottle caps at 60 yards all day under the most extreme pressure and concentration of tournaments without missing a beat. If he feels he can do it..... good for him. Have at it. BUT.... I will tell 99.99% of the world to &quot;DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT&quot;.... because that shot is probably going to go bad before it ever becomes good. I would prefer they don't give all the newbies and the non-bowhunting world the idea this is a thing we do regularly or ever even try. I'd prefer they stick to dots and X's to show off their talents... but, someone wanted them in a hunting video. For those of you who think this is a pipe dream shot for George... shoot along side of one of these guys for an hour or two or a couple days. It happens over and over and over without fail.

I remember at the Congressional shoot this year where they had a qualifier for the ESPN Greatoutdoor games. All the big boys were there. The day before the brass got there these guys started practicing about 9AM. It was about 90+ by 11:30 when they broke for lunch. At around 12:30 or 1:00 they went back at it and shot and shot and shot. The heat index may have been around 100. I was in my &quot;Shade seekin' Mode&quot;. About 4 they decided to have their qualifier. They had stood in the broiling sun for hours.... PRACTICING. Then they shot for all the marbles, money and slots to Lake Placid. X after X after X at ranges out to about 55 yards. It was finally decided after 3 rounds of shoot off when one guy missed an X or something. Then they looked at it for 5 minutes to decide if it was out or in. They weren't really X's during the competition but it might as well have been. At some of the stations they're shooting at dots the size of a golf ball traveling about 15 mph. They just don't miss.

So, George can take the shot. It still sucks as far as I'm concerned... but I'm no George. By the way.... he got his butt whipped that day by a half a dozen sharp shooters.

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Bogobble you must have hit an artery,for a gutshot deer to drop in 60 yards.Many times they will lay down with in that distance, but it will take them hours to die.


David, As ysyal you made a good point.

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Well ,did anyone ever think of the foot per second the bow shot at? I would never shoot a LIVE target with a bow at 50 plus yards. The prospect for the animal moving and making a bad hit is just to high.Take the best bow made and its Foot per second speed. Then figure the animal takes one step foreward. The step of a bull is at least 16 inches. Whack POSSIBLE bad hit.Bad choice. 1 shot ,one kill .If you cant do that stay home

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David,

I believe you see my point with regards to what this represents to &quot;Joe Bowhunter&quot;.

An animal doesn't have to &quot;jump the string&quot; @ 70 yards for craps sake! A step is a step and a slight turn is a slight turn which in turn relates to a disaster waiting to happen. I'm sorry the conditions weren't exactly right but if you can't get any closer than 70 yards, (with high winds to boot), pass on the shot or pick up your rifle.

I'll ask a couple more questions of you supporters of this shot. Let's say you are teaching hunters education to new hunters and young kids for your state. Would you use this video as an example of what bowhunting is about? Would you tell new hunters and kids that this is O.K.? What do you say to little 10 year old Johnny when he simply says &quot;what would happen if that animal moved or a strong gust of wind came up Mr. Instructor?&quot;

sorry to come off as such a hard case on this but I've seen to many &quot;know it all&quot; types that are willing to try pulling off something like this and then can't understand why someone is pissed at them when it turns out bad.
Percentages have a way of catching up to people that try this kind of stuff. That is where the editing comes in on the videos........Mr. World Class will not have to explain things WHEN it does go bad because they will most definitely do some editing!

Get Close.......&amp; Shoot Straight

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I didn't see the show in question, but wanted to comment about the post referencing Dan Fitzgerald.

I would be very hesitant to base any ethical foudation around the teachings, or actions, of &quot;Uncle Dan the Head Shot Man&quot;. That guy's about as good for the sport of bowhunting as Noel Feather or Don Lewis. Nothing but an overly-publicized slob with a video camera.

JRW

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yes Charlie P, I hit an artery no doubt. there was just to much
blood for it to be any other case. that's why i said a gut shot is
not always a bad shot. but you could say the same for a leg shot if
you hit an artery<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> I would never intentionally gut shoot a deer.
I always aim for the vitals.

daytona 500 winner- Ward Burton
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> The finished product that you saw on t.v. was a bull standing a mile away, a shooter letting an arrow go, and then a dead animal that doesn't mean that they were &quot;quick clean kills&quot;. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

I saw the shots. And although they were quite farther then I would ever shoot, they were right on target. I haven't talked to the show's editor, but I'm assuming they did not show the entire kills because caribou have a tendency to not die as fast as other animals you might see. From my experience, caribou will rarely run after being shot, but hunch up and circle before collapsing. They dont' drop in their tracks like you often see whitetails do. I'm sure the show's editors would rather not show a caribou &quot;running upside-down&quot;, or doing a death dance. Not only that, but they are much slower than other species, such as a whitetail. They have less tendency to &quot;jump a string&quot;. And even if they do, they don't move fast enough to make it a huge difference.