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Mature deer and stand Avoidance
My data says the same thing, this is just for learning. No bashing on anyway someone hunts. Just info from are talk they other day.
Why I move my stands each year. From BSK: A concept I find intreaging and I keep playing around with is the idea that computer technology should be able to isolate the factors that make good stand locations good. So over the years I've been using Geographic Information System (GIS) technology to evaluate a huge range of factors in association with success/failure of each stand location in sightings and harvests. I'm looking at factors such as past hunting pressure, weather conditions, moon conditions, habitat types, topography, etc. and looking for combinations of factors that are consistantly linked to the most successful stand locations. I had always known that past hunting pressure was a major player in successful stands, in that stands hunted too frequently experience reduced sightings and harvests of older bucks. But my experiences with my failure and my brother-in-law's successes last year finally prompted me to start looking at the situation numerically. After analyzing every stand every hunter had hunted out of for the last 5 years, I realize their was a powerful correlation between how many hours a stand had been hunted the previous year and 3 1/2+ year-old buck sightings from that stand. Eventually the numbers came out to show that the best stands are stands that are new for that location (there has never been a stand in that location before). However, there wasn't much drop off in 3 1/2+ year-old buck sightings from a particular stand that had been in place the previous year until that stand had received at least 15 hours of hunting time the previous year. In fact, that cut-off point was very powerful. In the last 5 years on my research area, not a single 3 1/2+ year-old buck had been seen or harvested from a stand that had received more than 15 hours of hunting time the previous year. Now I don't think 15 hours is any magic number. It is just the magic number for that property. Every property will be different. But on the monitored property, 15 hours of hunting time appears to be the point at which older bucks catch on to the fact that human predators are after them in that location, and they learn to avoid that particular location, even into future years. Deer are not smart creatures by any means, but they do have very good memories for "danger." And that was the mistake I made last year. I was hunting stands that had all the other "right conditions" and had produced well for me the previous year. And although I hadn't over-hunted them the previous year, the accumulation of several hunters occassionally hunting them was just enough pressure to drive the oldest bucks away from those stand locations. On the other hand, not intentionally, my brother-in-law was sytematically working his way through hunting all of the stands in "new" locations as well as stands no one had hunted out of much in the previous few years. That was the reason for his great success. In fact, he said he was hunting all these "new" and infrequently hunted stands because "he liked seeing new sights and liked hunting from places he had never hunted before", basically, to fight boredom. And that chance desire played right into his success. |
RE: Mature deer and stand Avoidance
I've never had a stand see 15 hours of hunting time.
I agree with the author, too. Deer are not smart creatures by any means, but they do have very good memories for "danger." I'm hunting my 15th hunt either this afternoon or tomorrow morning.....and I've sat in one tree twice, this year. All othe rhunts were "new" locations. For the record....I took shots at deer both sits in that tree. Good article in my eyes. |
RE: Mature deer and stand Avoidance
Yep, have better % first time hunt, nope, not to many hours in same stand.
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RE: Mature deer and stand Avoidance
I agree with the article...I tend to move my stands more than most....however, i think it is very dependant on the property as mentioned. Certain stands i hunt more agressively than others, knowing I will move them when sightings drop...others, I am very careful about asthe area does not allow me to just move my stand and continue being successful.
animals (deer) just strive to survive...as soon as they percieve an area as unsafe, they will avoid it. I bet the number of 3.5 year old does harvested dropped to 0 too. |
RE: Mature deer and stand Avoidance
I wonder what the affect of still or stalk hunting has on a buck or an area. Opinions?
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RE: Mature deer and stand Avoidance
I bet the number of 3.5 year old does harvested dropped to 0 too. |
RE: Mature deer and stand Avoidance
Last season I hunted one of my stands 24 times out of 74 hunts, On the 24th hunt I killed a 3 1/2 yo9 pointer.
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RE: Mature deer and stand Avoidance
Greg you bring up a point I often say and some here have heard/ read it. What if the 10th time you hunt a particular stand is the first time the buck your hunting walks by that stand. If your not in it, your not killing him. In your instance Greg, it was the 24th time, not to say that buck didn't walk by that stand when you were not there.
I really think the key is scent control, period though I realize we cannot eliminate it all. Spending time in a stand drops scent molecules and deer can certainly detect them. I place my stands where deer shouldn't be under the stand. Not that the scent doesn't get picked up in the wind. I have 2 sets in my honey hole. I hunt them hard. I see my best bucks towards the end of the season. Of course the chase/ looking stage of the rut is in. When it comes to stands, I don't bust deer going in, I don't bust deer getting out and I am a fanatic on scent control My stands have treated me well with 3.5 year olds and even better over the years both seeing or getting. |
RE: Mature deer and stand Avoidance
Ah, and the proverbial wrench gets thrown in! :D
I like to keep areas fresh, but I will hunt the same stand three or four nights in a row occasionally... if i feel it's that time of the year and it's inevitable that a bruiser is going to come by. He could have just been a few farms over the previous couple days, and today's going to be the day! ;) |
RE: Mature deer and stand Avoidance
I guess for "me" in "my" "woods", if "I" don't feel a particular stand is "burned" "out", "I'm" going to "hunt" it. [8D]
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