Baiting deer
09-28-2007 | 01:08 PM
#31
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Baiting deer
ORIGINAL: Killer_Primate
I can clear this up;
People who throw food on the ground in order to increase their chances at killing any deer suck as hunters - if they are trying to prove their worth, either to themselves or others.
Sure, if it is legal, and you aren’t trying to prove anything, and you want the meat in the freezer as fast as it can get there, go do it and be proud of yourself. You have become efficient at obtaining your goals. But that is not why I hunt.
Think about this; how would you feel if you were watching Chuck Adams, Fred Bear or whomever else you admire as a hunter, hunting some monster buck on TV. And he says; “I normally dump out a bag of corn on a well used trail. I then continue to dump the corn there until the deer really get used to it as a food source. The deer also get used to my scent being on the ground since I bring the corn in for them to eat. One can only imagine that if this practice went on long enough the deer would most likely follow my scent straight to the corn knowing that it was going to get a good meal. In fact since we’ve touched on “long enough”, I’d even venture to say that eventually, you could probably even feed the deer out of your hand.” And then he continues “Shhhhh, look over there… here comes a brute! He must have heard the bag when I tore it open. Quick, get up in the tree”. Obviously, if Chuck or Fred or anyone else made shows this way, you wouldn’t recognize their names, because they wouldn’t be famous as hunters.
I focus on my hunting using tactics that I could take with me anywhere at any time, assuming that I had the bare essentials and needed the deer as a food source. To me (and only me) that is what this whole thing is about. I further challenge myself to hunt good bucks since it is very rewarding to outwit one of the most elusive creatures on the planet. If you were in hard times and alone and needed to eat, you certainly wouldn’t last long by feeding the only food that you had to wild animals. But, if you had grown some food for yourself to eat (food plot) and you decided to use that as a target point for killing deer, I don’t see anything wrong with it. I mean, it would certainly help you be successful at getting some venison, and help you not get your crop eaten. (By the way, that is the answer to your first question).
So, if you really want to be proud of yourself, and participate in a truly age old tradition and celebrate your existence as a worthy hunter. Don’t throw corn on the ground and act as if everyone should drop to their knees in aw if you happen to kill a nice deer. Because that truly pals in comparison to what many of us go through in order to be successful hunter.
I can clear this up;
People who throw food on the ground in order to increase their chances at killing any deer suck as hunters - if they are trying to prove their worth, either to themselves or others.
Sure, if it is legal, and you aren’t trying to prove anything, and you want the meat in the freezer as fast as it can get there, go do it and be proud of yourself. You have become efficient at obtaining your goals. But that is not why I hunt.
Think about this; how would you feel if you were watching Chuck Adams, Fred Bear or whomever else you admire as a hunter, hunting some monster buck on TV. And he says; “I normally dump out a bag of corn on a well used trail. I then continue to dump the corn there until the deer really get used to it as a food source. The deer also get used to my scent being on the ground since I bring the corn in for them to eat. One can only imagine that if this practice went on long enough the deer would most likely follow my scent straight to the corn knowing that it was going to get a good meal. In fact since we’ve touched on “long enough”, I’d even venture to say that eventually, you could probably even feed the deer out of your hand.” And then he continues “Shhhhh, look over there… here comes a brute! He must have heard the bag when I tore it open. Quick, get up in the tree”. Obviously, if Chuck or Fred or anyone else made shows this way, you wouldn’t recognize their names, because they wouldn’t be famous as hunters.
I focus on my hunting using tactics that I could take with me anywhere at any time, assuming that I had the bare essentials and needed the deer as a food source. To me (and only me) that is what this whole thing is about. I further challenge myself to hunt good bucks since it is very rewarding to outwit one of the most elusive creatures on the planet. If you were in hard times and alone and needed to eat, you certainly wouldn’t last long by feeding the only food that you had to wild animals. But, if you had grown some food for yourself to eat (food plot) and you decided to use that as a target point for killing deer, I don’t see anything wrong with it. I mean, it would certainly help you be successful at getting some venison, and help you not get your crop eaten. (By the way, that is the answer to your first question).
So, if you really want to be proud of yourself, and participate in a truly age old tradition and celebrate your existence as a worthy hunter. Don’t throw corn on the ground and act as if everyone should drop to their knees in aw if you happen to kill a nice deer. Because that truly pals in comparison to what many of us go through in order to be successful hunter.
And throwing corn on the ground does pale in comparision to what some do go through to be a successful hunter. Some throw seed in the ground.
09-28-2007 | 01:21 PM
#32
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Baiting deer
No, I shoot a left handed High Country compound bow, right handed. No, I don't hunt with a long bow, and I don't wear a head-dress or a loincloth either. I also hunt with a gun, as a tradition, if you can imagine.
As far as the seed in the ground or on the ground. There are huge differences, I'm sorry if you can't see them, but I have four children to raise and you are not one of them. You're going to have to find someone esle to teach you how to think logically.
Does the Youth Outdoor Connection, inc throw piles of bait in the woods? Just wondering, Mr. President.
As far as the seed in the ground or on the ground. There are huge differences, I'm sorry if you can't see them, but I have four children to raise and you are not one of them. You're going to have to find someone esle to teach you how to think logically.
Does the Youth Outdoor Connection, inc throw piles of bait in the woods? Just wondering, Mr. President.
09-28-2007 | 01:29 PM
#33
Giant Nontypical
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From: NC
RE: Baiting deer
ORIGINAL: Killer_Primate
No, I shoot a left handed High Country compound bow, right handed. No, I don't hunt with a long bow, and I don't wear a head-dress or a loincloth either. I also hunt with a gun, as a tradition, if you can imagine.
As far as the seed in the ground or on the ground. There are huge differences, I'm sorry if you can't see them, but I have four children to raise and you are not one of them. You're going to have to find someone esle to teach you how to think logically.
Does the Youth Outdoor Connection, inc throw piles of bait in the woods? Just wondering, Mr. President.
No, I shoot a left handed High Country compound bow, right handed. No, I don't hunt with a long bow, and I don't wear a head-dress or a loincloth either. I also hunt with a gun, as a tradition, if you can imagine.
As far as the seed in the ground or on the ground. There are huge differences, I'm sorry if you can't see them, but I have four children to raise and you are not one of them. You're going to have to find someone esle to teach you how to think logically.
Does the Youth Outdoor Connection, inc throw piles of bait in the woods? Just wondering, Mr. President.
We do bait some areas and some we do not bait. By bait I mean we plant food plots AND feed corn. Both are done in hopes of attracting deer to the area. Both are legal means here in North Carolina.
In other states where baiting is illegal, we of course, do not bait.
09-28-2007 | 01:29 PM
#34
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From: Olney. Maryland
RE: Baiting deer
What is the difference between hunting a food plot, over acorns, near a watering hole, mineral lick or a bait pile?
I want to know all of these people opposed to baiting do you use scent attractants? Is that not doing the same thing?
You basically have 2 options, go to the deer or have the deer come to you.
I want to know all of these people opposed to baiting do you use scent attractants? Is that not doing the same thing?
You basically have 2 options, go to the deer or have the deer come to you.
09-28-2007 | 01:59 PM
#35
Fork Horn
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RE: Baiting deer
It cracks me up how everytime a post comes up on this website about baiting it turns into a war. If it's legal in the state and someone wants to throw some corn on the ground big deal! I see it as no different then planting a food plot. It is to attract deer isn't it? I can't say that I have heard of anyone going out and picking there chickory field so they could can it for the winter.
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09-28-2007 | 03:49 PM
#36
Nontypical Buck
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From: NW Oklahoma
RE: Baiting deer
Those who live is states where it is illegal seem to have penis envy for those in states where it is legal.
Hell, I'll admit most of the stuff I do is to fool the deer somehow, whether it's scent elimination, hunting up in trees, scent attractant, calls, or rattling. All that stuff is legal. It's just jealosy.
Hell, I'll admit most of the stuff I do is to fool the deer somehow, whether it's scent elimination, hunting up in trees, scent attractant, calls, or rattling. All that stuff is legal. It's just jealosy.
09-28-2007 | 03:56 PM
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RE: Baiting deer
Ten yards, a bow and a cornpile.
200 yards, a high powered riflewith scope, food plot.
10dogs,.000 Buckshot, four hunters flying up and down the road cutting the deer off as they come out of the woods.
Which leaves more room for error? Which hunter has to put more effort and caution into his hunt?
I agree with one post here, I also think it's those who can't bait that have the biggest problem with it. Even most of those hunters who can but choose not to seem to have an open mind toward it.
200 yards, a high powered riflewith scope, food plot.
10dogs,.000 Buckshot, four hunters flying up and down the road cutting the deer off as they come out of the woods.
Which leaves more room for error? Which hunter has to put more effort and caution into his hunt?
I agree with one post here, I also think it's those who can't bait that have the biggest problem with it. Even most of those hunters who can but choose not to seem to have an open mind toward it.
09-28-2007 | 04:18 PM
#39
Typical Buck
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From: Tuttle, OK
RE: Baiting deer
ORIGINAL: isatarak
Those who live is states where it is illegal seem to have penis envy for those in states where it is legal.
Hell, I'll admit most of the stuff I do is to fool the deer somehow, whether it's scent elimination, hunting up in trees, scent attractant, calls, or rattling. All that stuff is legal. It's just jealosy.
Those who live is states where it is illegal seem to have penis envy for those in states where it is legal.
Hell, I'll admit most of the stuff I do is to fool the deer somehow, whether it's scent elimination, hunting up in trees, scent attractant, calls, or rattling. All that stuff is legal. It's just jealosy.
So we (hunters) use; compound bows, releases, scent eliminators, carbon clothing, sights, rangefinders, binoculars, top of the line camo, etc. to be better or to have a better oppurtunity to harvest an animal. Baiting is just another way for us (hunters) to get within shooting distance of a whitetail. It is just another method that can better our odds.
What if there were some states that allowed compounds and some states thatallowed onlytrad equipment; no sights, no stabilizer, no release,stick and stringonly. Would we be having a debate over how the people using a compoundare cheating and the ones using the trad eqipment are the only "real" hunters???? Probably so. But......we don't have that problem, so we just let it be.
My point is, most of us try to get an oppurtunity at a deer the best way we can. Just because you hunt over bait does not mean that they are a tame animal. They are still the same animal, they still have all the same senses as the deer that aren't baited. It is just an extra advantage, just like all the advances in equipment and clothing offer.
I do hunt over bait some, but I hunt funnels, draws, fields, and soft mast the majority of the time. I have a better chance of shooting a monster on a travel area than I do over bait. So, to me, baiting is really not that big of an advantage if you are wanting to take a large buck. But.....if I took a 170" over a corn pile or 170" in a travel corridor I would be just as happy with one as I would be with the other.I put my time and scouting in and believe I work hard for whatever animal I take, regardless of the method.
09-28-2007 | 04:39 PM
#40
Nontypical Buck
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From: ILLINOIS
RE: Baiting deer
ORIGINAL: isatarak
Those who live is states where it is illegal seem to have penis envy for those in states where it is legal.
It's just jealosy.
Those who live is states where it is illegal seem to have penis envy for those in states where it is legal.
It's just jealosy.
Sorry man, jealousy has nothing to do with it. I think it really depends on how people were brought up hunting. In Illinois we can't bait, hell we can't even feed deer in the offseason anymore, and I love it that way. I haveNO desire to hunt over a feeder or baitpile, not my cup of tea.
For those who do, have at it, does'ntbother me whatsoever.