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brono 09-15-2007 04:56 AM

Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
On Sept.13, 2007 the US patent Office mailed a final rejection letter to Scentlok concerning their patent. Details will be posted as available. Its about time ? In the Feb. issue of Field and Stream in 1999, a wise Dr., Una Lynch was quoeted as saying that the carbon concept can't work as claimed, its not scientifically possible. Here we are 8 years,6 months later having the US Patent office making the same determination. What affect do you feel this will have on carbon clothing ?

Jimimac 09-15-2007 05:30 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
I'm not a Scent Lok owner. Never tried the stuff, but have always felt it was just another hunting product made to get hunters to part with their money with little to no return on investment. To me, if you stay clean and do your best to hunt with the wind in your face, the deer won't know you are there.
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[/align]Besides...Doesn't the ScentLok clothing itself give off a weird odor?
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davidmil 09-15-2007 05:38 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
I've always maintained it can't work anywhere near as good as advertised. I worked to much with activated carbon in my real life to fall for it. And all this talk from the other manufacturer stating it's been proven effective against replicated human odor is a farce also. Maybe now we'll get back to being able to buy clothes without having to pay for this snake oil. Like last night in Gander Mountain, I found a perfect fitting pair of gloves I wanted... nothing special. I tried them on, the fit great and did what I wanted. I flipped up the price tag. $49!!!!! Then I saw why, Scent Blocker. I hung them back on the rack and left without them. I refuse to pay for snake oil gloves. They'd probably be $19 if they didn't have Scent Blocker on them. Same deal in the boot rack. Why do we have to pay $50-100 more for a pair of boots because they have a Scent Blocker tag on them.

nybowhunter 09-15-2007 05:49 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
I'm with you David, I've been out looking for new boots. EVERYTHING at Dick's and Gander has some sort of scent lok thatI don't want,and I certainly do not want to pay for it.

Cougar Mag 09-15-2007 05:56 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
Though I don't use carbon clothing I don't quite understand this. There are literally thousands of consumer products on the market that have been issued patents that do not work as advertised.

Next big scam on the hunting market...............most scent killing sprays.;)

Rob/PA Bowyer 09-15-2007 06:00 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

ORIGINAL: Cougar Mag

Next big scam on the hunting market...............most scent killing sprays.;)
I disagree with that CM. I've used Scent Killer to remove odors other than the intended. (human odors)

Ex: I sprayed it on my hands to remove gas smells after working on equipment.

Jimimac 09-15-2007 06:05 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
I'm working on a fart enhancing product that willturn your gas into a most effective deer lure. The key is in my secret chile recipe that will be bundled with the fart pill. The ingredients in both the chile and the fart pill if consumed 12 hours before the hunt interact with each other to produce the gas of choice. I'm also marketing a new line of clothing to get that gas out in the open quickly. Yep...a hole in the bum area.

Cougar Mag 09-15-2007 06:12 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
Rob, I use a spray or two myself........but there are so many new brands coming out each year each touting their abilities to kill or limit human odor.

Best thing for keeping odor to a minimum is keeping as clean as possible and don't eat red meat during hunting season.....admittedly thats something I don't do.[8D]

StrutNtom 09-15-2007 06:22 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
Don't eat red meat? Are you CRAZY??????

Our deer season is from AUG. 15th to JAN. 1st!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No red meat during the WHOLE hunting season????

You've gotta invest in some kind of wind indicator.

OGW 09-15-2007 06:22 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

ORIGINAL: brono

On Sept.13, 2007 the US patent Office mailed a final rejection letter to Scentlok concerning their patent. Details will be posted as available. Its about time ? In the Feb. issue of Field and Stream in 1999, a wise Dr., Una Lynch was quoeted as saying that the carbon concept can't work as claimed, its not scientifically possible. Here we are 8 years,6 months later having the US Patent office making the same determination. What affect do you feel this will have on carbon clothing ?

Source?
Where did you get this information?

Though I dont believe in the effectiveness of activated carbon clothing to be "Regenerated" as most companies claim I do believe accuracy in reporting so called facts.


OGW 09-15-2007 06:23 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

ORIGINAL: OGW


ORIGINAL: brono

On Sept.13, 2007 the US patent Office mailed a final rejection letter to Scentlok concerning their patent. Details will be posted as available. Its about time ? In the Feb. issue of Field and Stream in 1999, a wise Dr., Una Lynch was quoeted as saying that the carbon concept can't work as claimed, its not scientifically possible. Here we are 8 years,6 months later having the US Patent office making the same determination. What affect do you feel this will have on carbon clothing ?

Source?
Where did you get this information?

Though I dont believe in the effectiveness of activated carbon clothing to be "Regenerated" as most companies claim I do believe in accurately reporting so called facts.


Drizzu213 09-15-2007 07:13 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

ORIGINAL: Cougar Mag

Rob, I use a spray or two myself........but there are so many new brands coming out each year each touting their abilities to kill or limit human odor.

Best thing for keeping odor to a minimum is keeping as clean as possible and don't eat red meat during hunting season.....admittedly thats something I don't do.[8D]
The first thing I do after gutting is pull out the tenderloins for breakfast and you don't eat red meat?why do you hunt?

BowKnutt 09-15-2007 07:23 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

ORIGINAL: Cougar Mag

Rob, I use a spray or two myself........but there are so many new brands coming out each year each touting their abilities to kill or limit human odor.

Best thing for keeping odor to a minimum is keeping as clean as possible and don't eat red meat during hunting season.....admittedly thats something I don't do.[8D]

Ease up fellows---hes just saying you ought to not eat it!! I say when you see a deer shut your mouth, breath through your nose an let your nose hairs filter the smells!!:D;)

nodog 09-15-2007 07:25 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

ORIGINAL: OGW


ORIGINAL: OGW


ORIGINAL: brono

On Sept.13, 2007 the US patent Office mailed a final rejection letter to Scentlok concerning their patent. Details will be posted as available. Its about time ? In the Feb. issue of Field and Stream in 1999, a wise Dr., Una Lynch was quoeted as saying that the carbon concept can't work as claimed, its not scientifically possible. Here we are 8 years,6 months later having the US Patent office making the same determination. What affect do you feel this will have on carbon clothing ?

Source?
Where did you get this information?

Though I dont believe in the effectiveness of activated carbon clothing to be "Regenerated" as most companies claim I do believe in accurately reporting so called facts.


I was hopping to just read posts without going through the trouble of logging in and the first one I read is this one. Rats.

Well now that I've gone through the hassle I like to say I'm surprised at some of you, but I'd be lying. First off the originator is a nobody here. No offense just I no little to nothing about you. Things become evident over time.

Secondly, don't you think the timing is more than just a little coincidental. Come on. Hunting seasons starting, guys are buying. Just kills me.

Thirdly, I know next to little about patents, but I have seen them listed. Haven't you ever seen a list of numbers a mile long? I have. So they were turned down, for what? I'm sure there are a pile of them filed for. I also seem to remember that there is a time limit to some of them. After a certain date they are no longer protected. Something like that and can no longer be filed. Open to the publics use.

Don't make any mistake about my intensions. I've said it before, I'm a consumer who thinks the stuff is way to expensive and if the stuff sits on the shelf long enough I'll buy it at a reasonable price. Don't buy the stuff. I have also said that the stuff is very well made, and scentlok or no the garment is equal to, or better than any other quality camo out there. The others also charge an arm and leg, which kills me since their beef is that scentlok is sooooo expensive. I'm also tired of these boards being used by companies to do nothing more than bash a competitors product. Baseless, maybe, but like I also said things become evident over time at least in my eyes.

As for myself I'll wait and see. I'll also continue to use the stuff. Heck If it's all true, I'm seeing some unheard of bargains to be had. It's win win for me. I have noticed some reduction in the price of the stuff already.



Cougar Mag 09-15-2007 07:31 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

The first thing I do after gutting is pull out the tenderloins for breakfast and you don't eat red meat?why do you hunt?
Easy bud, its all in jest. We're talking scent control. I said admittedly I don't practice that theory about not eating red meat during deer season. Reportedly some Indian tribes stayed away from meat just before their hunts and used "sweat teepees" to purge odors from their systems.

OGW 09-15-2007 07:51 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
nodog, I just want to see where the guy got this so called "Fact" of this mailing, and it's contents,from.
Does"brono" work in the US Patent Office?


Edit:
I checked on the posts by "brono" and found a pattern...LOL





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aldo88 09-15-2007 08:37 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

Don't eat red meat? Are you CRAZY??????

Our deer season is from AUG. 15th to JAN. 1st!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No red meat during the WHOLE hunting season????

You've gotta invest in some kind of wind indicator.
Now thats funny........:D

brono 09-15-2007 09:25 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

ORIGINAL: OGW


ORIGINAL: brono

On Sept.13, 2007 the US patent Office mailed a final rejection letter to Scentlok concerning their patent. Details will be posted as available. Its about time ? In the Feb. issue of Field and Stream in 1999, a wise Dr., Una Lynch was quoeted as saying that the carbon concept can't work as claimed, its not scientifically possible. Here we are 8 years,6 months later having the US Patent office making the same determination. What affect do you feel this will have on carbon clothing ?
Instead of trying to discredit someone why don't you look up the facts your self. Like someone has control over when the patent office issues their report, One has to realize that this reexam has been going on for over 2 1/2 years. The claims have been changed 3 times and now the Uspto has finally acted on the behalf of all of us.
You can't make claims in advertising either that aren't true.

Here's how to look up the information.
Go to the uspto website.
click oon patent
click on view in pair
click on public pair
type in 90007331
click on transaction history 9/13/2007- FINAL REJECTION MAILED
To bad it wasn't ffriday the 13.
So these are so called facts. Is this accuracy OK.
Rememder Dr. Lynch called this 8 1/2 years ago in Field and Stream. Fox did an investigative report 1 year ago and showed it didn't work as claimed , no one listened ,and then we want to challenge the USPTO as if they care one way or another. Why ?

Source?
Where did you get this information?

Though I dont believe in the effectiveness of activated carbon clothing to be "Regenerated" as most companies claim I do believe accuracy in reporting so called facts.


IUSEPSE 09-15-2007 09:34 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
Ya know something, all or most of us started hunting without Scentblocker way back when. I have taken over 25 bucks in my years of hunting. Albeit I do own a Sentlock suit, I have yet to have worn it when I have taken a deer. I have had young deer and old deer downwind of me that were not alerted. On the other side I have hadboth downwind that were alerted. Remain as scent free as you can. Keep your clothes as free of contaminents as best you can. Hope that the winds currents don't run to the deers nose! No justification for the cost when I can do the same thing with soap.

Sliverflicker 09-15-2007 09:52 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

ORIGINAL: Jimimac

I'm working on a fart enhancing product that willturn your gas into a most effective deer lure. The key is in my secret chile recipe that will be bundled with the fart pill. The ingredients in both the chile and the fart pill if consumed 12 hours before the hunt interact with each other to produce the gas of choice. I'm also marketing a new line of clothing to get that gas out in the open quickly. Yep...a hole in the bum area.
I love eating Chile in the fall, of course we know the drawback (farting) of that for bowhunters. I have trained myself to cock my hind quarters at just the right position to make one sound just like a Buck grunt, so with your secret chile recipe and fart pill and my ability to grunt like a buck, I will have the best grunt call/deer lure on the market (will it come in doe in heat?) Put me down for field advisor staff and get me some soon as possible.
PS. Dont worry about the pants, I already have some with a hole in the bum area from my wifes chile!

brono 09-15-2007 10:01 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
Always good to discredit the person and ignor the facts. I don't know much about you but the fact that they have been rejected stands by itself. Also no one determines the time that the USPTO issues its findings.

Jimimac 09-15-2007 10:12 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker


ORIGINAL: Jimimac

I'm working on a fart enhancing product that willturn your gas into a most effective deer lure. The key is in my secret chile recipe that will be bundled with the fart pill. The ingredients in both the chile and the fart pill if consumed 12 hours before the hunt interact with each other to produce the gas of choice. I'm also marketing a new line of clothing to get that gas out in the open quickly. Yep...a hole in the bum area.
I love eating Chile in the fall, of course we know the drawback (farting) of that for bowhunters. I have trained myself to cock my hind quarters at just the right position to make one sound just like a Buck grunt, so with your secret chile recipe and fart pill and my ability to grunt like a buck, I will have the best grunt call/deer lure on the market (will it come in doe in heat?) Put me down for field advisor staff and get me some soon as possible.
PS. Dont worry about the pants, I already have some with a hole in the bum area from my wifes chile!
You are in! That will be a lethal combo. We'll be offering doe in heat, dominant buck as well as poo poo surprise as anearly season curiosity scent.

brono 09-15-2007 10:18 AM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
[quote]Well now that I've gone through the hassle I like to say I'm surprised at some of you, but I'd be lying. First off the originator is a nobody here. No offense just I no little to nothing about you. Things become evident over time.

Secondly, don't you think the timing is more than just a little coincidental. Come on. Hunting seasons starting, guys are buying. Just kills me.
Go to the USPTO web site and folow the history (900073310) and see who's responcible .

LebeauHunter 09-15-2007 01:39 PM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
I'm not a big carbon fan (I only own the headcover and an old non-regenerated suit :D),
but I'm mostly with nodog on this one.

It looks like brono has an agenda. These companies have numerous patents (just look
at the tag on one of the garments) and there is a reason there aren't 5 companies doing
knock off carbon suits.

They might have been turned down on a variation or a particular patent, but the basic carbon
concept is almost certainly covered up in patents. Patents are denied for a lot of different
reasons, not just b/c they don't "work." The Patent office is not Mythbusters (TM), going
out and testing every product. They are mostly just looking for something that differentiates
a product from another, something new.

So Brono, if you want to bash carbon based on personal experiences go ahead, but I think this
post is full of it.


MOTOWNHONKEY 09-15-2007 02:38 PM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

ORIGINAL: Jimimac


ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker


ORIGINAL: Jimimac

I'm working on a fart enhancing product that willturn your gas into a most effective deer lure. The key is in my secret chile recipe that will be bundled with the fart pill. The ingredients in both the chile and the fart pill if consumed 12 hours before the hunt interact with each other to produce the gas of choice. I'm also marketing a new line of clothing to get that gas out in the open quickly. Yep...a hole in the bum area.
I love eating Chile in the fall, of course we know the drawback (farting) of that for bowhunters. I have trained myself to cock my hind quarters at just the right position to make one sound just like a Buck grunt, so with your secret chile recipe and fart pill and my ability to grunt like a buck, I will have the best grunt call/deer lure on the market (will it come in doe in heat?) Put me down for field advisor staff and get me some soon as possible.
PS. Dont worry about the pants, I already have some with a hole in the bum area from my wifes chile!
You are in! That will be a lethal combo. We'll be offering doe in heat, dominant buck as well as poo poo surprise as anearly season curiosity scent.
I think you two brothers are on to something big here. I would like to get in on the ground level and share in your future wealth. Like a magician can throw his voiceI have the ability to throw my cheese. I can make it sound like it came from the other side of the deer trail. With Jimimac's pill and silverflicker's superior aim and ofcourse my uncanny ability to throw cheese I can see millions in our future.

davidmil 09-15-2007 02:47 PM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
Well I googled for a 45 minutes this morning to find and find a story on this. I even went searching the patent office website. I couldn't find anything. Now I know why.[8D] I finally gave up and went fly fishing.:) Just got back and see the results. LOL Man I'm tired. It's tough walking in rocky streams in water up to your knees and thighs most of the time. We started, I don't know, maybe 9:30 or 10. Just got off the water a half hour ago. I'm sore from top to bottom. The fishing was great.... just the catching wasn't worth a flip.[&:] As a novice fly fisherman I found out how difficult a wind is to fish in. LOL

Germ 09-15-2007 03:53 PM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
Yes Brono

Who do you work for?

Whats your ajenda?

By chance are you TR:eek:

nodog 09-15-2007 06:11 PM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

ORIGINAL: Germ


By chance are you TR:eek:
Followed him for a while just to see what the deal was. Shazam turns out he endorses a competitor. I saw the stuff once. While much of the debate often slammed scentlok because of the cost his stuff was well into the 300 dollar range. Kills me.

passthru79 09-15-2007 07:32 PM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 
I personaly own one scentlok suit, and one scent blocker suit. I think both work. Do they work perfectly, no but I do believe they help. Personaly the only way I believe possible to contain all your human odor is being in a air tight box but those are a tad hard to shoot from. One simple test I have tried on many occasions is sitting in my treestand and cutting one loose "farting" and when you do that wearing normal coverals the smell tends to come right up through the collar and you no doubt smell it. When I wear either of my carbon suits and fart I never smell it, not once. So take the test go try a scentlok or scent blocker suit on at a store and fart let us know if you can smell it.;)

brono 09-15-2007 07:34 PM

RE: Scentlok mailed final rejection.
 

concept is almost certainly covered up in patents

ORIGINAL: LebeauHunter

I'm not a big carbon fan (I only own the headcover and an old non-regenerated suit :D),
but I'm mostly with nodog on this one.

It looks like brono has an agenda. These companies have numerous patents (just look
at the tag on one of the garments) and there is a reason there aren't 5 companies doing
knock off carbon suits.

They might have been turned down on a variation or a particular patent, but the basic carbon
concept is almost certainly covered up in patents. Patents are denied for a lot of different
reasons, not just b/c they don't "work." The Patent office is not Mythbusters (TM), going
out and testing every product. They are mostly just looking for something that differentiates
a product from another, something new.

So Brono, if you want to bash carbon based on personal experiences go ahead, but I think this
post is full of it.
Check the Uspto website and you will see that all the scentlok (als) patents are a continuation of each other. There just like a house of cards. Pull out the bottom one as the Patent office did and they all fall down.
I guess for some that can't handle the truth there must be an agenda.


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