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how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
i have been told that the differents from hunting and farming cows for meat is the cow is kill quickly and humanly does anyone know how they end the cows mooing before the turn it into hamburger and is it any better or worst then the normal hunting kill
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RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
Bigtim,
Where are you from? |
RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
Those that say how quick and humane killing livestock is have never been to a slaughterhouse. I have, and you can see the fear in their eyes. Then they (cows) are put into the stalls with their heads secured and hit with the pneumatic bolt in the head. This doesn't kill them it just disorients them. Then the blade comes and ends it all.
Smaller livestock don't get the stall, they get chained up and hung before they get the bolt. If I had my choice I'd take an arrow to the boiler room that I didn't know was coming and by the time I realized what happened I was just about gone over being prodded through a maze and into a stall where my head was stabilized (like in a guillatine) or hung by my feet so I can take a bolt to the head before having my throat cut. That's just me though. |
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No different...Only reason we eat hamburger instead of deer burger is that our ancesters couldn't catch a deer....If they could have, we would all be big cow hunters.....
If a hunter takes a good ethical shot, its over before the animal knows it... I have often said that I hope I die as quickly as the deer I kill....Most of us won't, have you ever thought of that....Remember that poor lady they starved in FL a couple of years ago, I believe her name was Shively...God bless her.... |
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How does this site get infiltrated with PETA? These mis-informed, cry-baby, just wanna complain about anything, idiots, start these myths that hunting is so horrible and give us a bad name. They come on this site and can't even spell, it is all a plan to make hunters look bad by making them look stupid and unintelligent with the statements and mis-spelling.
Go to a slaughter house jack ass, the cattle is more or less still alive as it's butchered. A deer is usually dead in less than ten seconds. These dumb ass hypocrites just want to bitch and have no idea what their argument is. It's all ok to eat beef or pork b/c it came from the grocery store, where it's all packaged nice and neat. Well it doesn't grow all wrapped up in freezer paper numb nuts!! these people should get off their lazy asses and go hunt some real meat that is actually healthy and not full of fat, hormones,and disease. Oh that's right, that commercial meat in the store, those animals are pumped with drugs, and hormones to insure fast and large growing. And that goes for all of the products, meats, eggs, poultry, milk, etc. Also, your store bought ground beef, it's mostly leftovers. That includes tumors and whatever else is growing on the animal, and don't even get me started about the fast food chains with their "Grade D" meats. First, true sportsmen don't KILL, they hunt and harvest their game. Second, if they are out there just to kill, then they are not hunters and sportsmen, they are animal killers! The simple fact is that it is cheaper (that's right is' all about the almighty dollar) to stab a cow in the head with a dull aluminum rod. True, it is much more effective to put a ten cent bullet in the brain, BUT that is ten cents per cow now and that adds up, the pneumatic rod is retractable and hits every cow that is pushed in through the hydraulic shoot. |
RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
Relax there Pat! I know this is a sore subject for all of us but you didnt read the original post right. I dont think BigTim is PETA at all. He is just simply asking how a cow is killed and the diffrence between that and a deer harvest.
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Sorry, my apologies. I did not mean to imply that BigTim was PETA. Just that there is a significant effort to dismantle the sport of hunting. I believe that as hunters we need to be careful of how we word things. We are carefully scrutinized by the majority, which is non hunters. There are too many misinformed people out there and it is only a matter of time before our hunting privileges are revoked. Again, my apologies if I offended any one other than members of PETA.
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Don't apologise Pat. You're right. Why would a "hunter" post such a stupid question as to the difference of harvesting a deer to slaughtering a cow? If you ask that question, you're not a hunter. Sorry.
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A deer vs. cow is no different!! Do those stupid peta people understand or think what a carrot feels like when it gets pulled from it's home in the earth and swallowed!!! tossed around in a salad??? Can't be good!
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RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
ORIGINAL: bigtim6656 i have been told that the differents from hunting and farming cows for meat is the cow is kill quickly and humanly does anyone know how they end the cows mooing before the turn it into hamburger and is it any better or worst then the normal hunting kill You be the judge! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74USdnMMJEA Warning it's graphic! I'd rather do it with my bow. |
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ORIGINAL: The Rev ORIGINAL: bigtim6656 i have been told that the differents from hunting and farming cows for meat is the cow is kill quickly and humanly does anyone know how they end the cows mooing before the turn it into hamburger and is it any better or worst then the normal hunting kill You be the judge! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74USdnMMJEA Warning it's graphic! I'd rather do it with my bow. Am I the only one but I'd like to have a caping knife as sharp as they were using. [:-] |
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You should be informed that the PETA types are against ALL consumption of animals by humans. They don't prefer cows over deer. They are against it all. Many of them are even against the ownership of pets.
They are basically unstable people. |
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ORIGINAL: isatarak You should be informed that the PETA types are against ALL consumption of animals by humans. They don't prefer cows over deer. They are against it all. Many of them are even against the ownership of pets. They are basically unstable people. |
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First, true sportsmen don't KILL, they hunt and harvest their game. Second, if they are out there just to kill, then they are not hunters and sportsmen, they are animal killers! |
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ORIGINAL: HuntingBry Those that say how quick and humane killing livestock is have never been to a slaughterhouse. LOL:D As for myself hunting is not killing, it's only a small partof it and if that was all there was to it, I wouldn't do it.It is necessary part of life that requires a high level of maturity to live with. |
RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
ORIGINAL: bigtim6656 i have been told that the differents from hunting and farming cows for meat is the cow is kill quickly and humanly does anyone know how they end the cows mooing before the turn it into hamburger and is it any better or worst then the normal hunting kill I not knockin the slaughter houses or the way they do business--and I ain't even shore why I posting this-- But I am reminded of the BIBLE where God gave us dominion over the animals to use --He just said not to abuse them--killing them for food is not abuse-- |
RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
i am in know way having thing to do with peta nor will i ever when ibuy my hunting tags would you like be to post a pic of it
Screw peta i hunt and all i was asking was why do some people think it is so much better if we eat a cow bought from the grocrey store and yes i know i have grammer proplems and i am working on correcty that als one reason i have misspellings is because the 10.00 keyboard i bought at walmart sucks and some times itdoes not hit the key ORIGINAL: PatrickMc How does this site get infiltrated with PETA? These mis-informed, cry-baby, just wanna complain about anything, idiots, start these myths that hunting is so horrible and give us a bad name. They come on this site and can't even spell, it is all a plan to make hunters look bad by making them look stupid and unintelligent with the statements and mis-spelling. Go to a slaughter house jack ass, the cattle is more or less still alive as it's butchered. A deer is usually dead in less than ten seconds. These dumb ass hypocrites just want to bitch and have no idea what their argument is. It's all ok to eat beef or pork b/c it came from the grocery store, where it's all packaged nice and neat. Well it doesn't grow all wrapped up in freezer paper numb nuts!! these people should get off their lazy asses and go hunt some real meat that is actually healthy and not full of fat, hormones,and disease. Oh that's right, that commercial meat in the store, those animals are pumped with drugs, and hormones to insure fast and large growing. And that goes for all of the products, meats, eggs, poultry, milk, etc. Also, your store bought ground beef, it's mostly leftovers. That includes tumors and whatever else is growing on the animal, and don't even get me started about the fast food chains with their "Grade D" meats. First, true sportsmen don't KILL, they hunt and harvest their game. Second, if they are out there just to kill, then they are not hunters and sportsmen, they are animal killers! The simple fact is that it is cheaper (that's right is' all about the almighty dollar) to stab a cow in the head with a dull aluminum rod. True, it is much more effective to put a ten cent bullet in the brain, BUT that is ten cents per cow now and that adds up, the pneumatic rod is retractable and hits every cow that is pushed in through the hydraulic shoot. |
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PETA members always amuse me.
As for the cow vs. deer debate. I agree. There is no comparison. The deer I hunt are free animals. They aren't in a fence and aren't raised on a yard. These deer use every sense they have to defeat me. As for cows. They are RAISED inside of a fence. Most are raised on a stock yard where the ground they walk on is pure fesesis(sp). They are shot up with hormones, and growth suppliments. many of which have been proven to cause cancer in labs, but the "cattle industry" claims that none of this can be passed down to the consumer. |
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As far as I am concerned they both taste good and that is all that matters to me!
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Ok - wasnt gonna reply but here goes. What does everyone think is going to happen in a slaughterhouse? Look at the name....sound like a good place for a family vacation - i dont think so. The video link posted was not a video of a "slaughterhouse" it was a video of a small butcher shop. If that had been a slaughterous, the animal would have been stunned, stuck, and all the blood drained from the body in the time it took that guy to stun the animal. Why stun instead of shoot? Stunning uses the body's natural blood pump, the heart, and removes the blood from the actual cuts of meat, allowing a better product for the consumer in the end.
Ahh, the hormone debate. As a beef producer, Bachelor of Science in Animal Science and a consumer of copious amounts of this "pumped" meat - I assure you that, just as roundup ready technology has not affected the end product in the corn and soybean industry, so will the use of implants in cattle not affect the end product of your steak. I assure you - the cattle industry as a whole is the most regulated group in the meat production industry. No flavor enhancers are allowed to be used, no water is allowed to be added, look at the poultry and pork industries and their end product. Lots of water - wonder why its cheaper? Ill sell you water for a buck or so a pound if you want me to and that is exactly what the pork and poultry industries do and are allowed to do. In summary - could things be changed some in the beef packing industry? Im sure there are some places that could be, but currently food safety is at an all time high. Evisceration, splitting, primal separating, quality grading, packaging etc are all done in a very sterile environment and inspection in plants is quite good and highly regulated. Could the stunning aspect be changed? I encourage any of you that think so invent your own process that will quickly and humanely allow the volume of animals that are needed to be slaughtered each week to be slaughtered. Until then - this is the best we've got. |
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ORIGINAL: valor10 Don't apologise Pat. You're right. Why would a "hunter" post such a stupid question as to the difference of harvesting a deer to slaughtering a cow? If you ask that question, you're not a hunter. Sorry. |
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Maybe PETA hacked BigTim's account. [8D]
But I do think its funny that every time an anti posts (which I'm not saying BigTim is), that they absolutely butcher the english language. I can just see them sitting around on some hemp mats making snotty remarks of the screenshot capture while they sit back eating tofu burgers and portabella mushrooms and feeling all smug. |
RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
i was not trying to be anti slaughterhouse anti hunting or anti anything
i was just asking why some people think it is so mch better they way cows are treated then the way deer are. and i also asking wat were the steps a cow or hog or what ever go through in the slaughter house I WAS NOT TRYING TO BE ANTI HUNTINGNET.COM OR ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS WEB SITE NOR AM I IN OR EVERBE IN PETA |
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Lebeau - that will be enough!! Never slander the portebella mushroom like that again!!! The portebella is a truly treasured blessing to have beside a deer steak.
I think that bigtim is just trying to gain some insight about what occurs. We should all know what is involved, so when we are faced with a true PETA or someone who doesn't know the facts we can educate them. When you have the knowledge to have a debate, not arguement, you will win. I can't tell you how many times I have had uneducated PETA types want to debate, when they find out that I have spent the time and monies to be educated they usually back down. I did have one guy who really wanted to debate, when it was all said and done, turns out he was just a poster child for what not to be. Education is the key, and wear it proudly on your sleeve. |
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Well put MrG. And tim I wouldn't worry about getting bashed because it happens all the time when you ask a simple ? Fellas yer attacking the wrong person he was simply asking a question and some of you attack him like he was PETA. Tim is in the Bowhunting contest??? and I am sure that we have all wondered the same thing that he has asked. As for me I know how it is done in the slaughter houses but to ask a simple question and get bashed for it is simply not right.
Lighten up fellas and quit attacking one of our own. |
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ORIGINAL: Mr.G Ok - wasnt gonna reply but here goes. What does everyone think is going to happen in a slaughterhouse? Look at the name....sound like a good place for a family vacation - i dont think so. The video link posted was not a video of a "slaughterhouse" it was a video of a small butcher shop. If that had been a slaughterous, the animal would have been stunned, stuck, and all the blood drained from the body in the time it took that guy to stun the animal. Why stun instead of shoot? Stunning uses the body's natural blood pump, the heart, and removes the blood from the actual cuts of meat, allowing a better product for the consumer in the end. Ahh, the hormone debate. As a beef producer, Bachelor of Science in Animal Science and a consumer of copious amounts of this "pumped" meat - I assure you that, just as roundup ready technology has not affected the end product in the corn and soybean industry, so will the use of implants in cattle not affect the end product of your steak. I assure you - the cattle industry as a whole is the most regulated group in the meat production industry. No flavor enhancers are allowed to be used, no water is allowed to be added, look at the poultry and pork industries and their end product. Lots of water - wonder why its cheaper? Ill sell you water for a buck or so a pound if you want me to and that is exactly what the pork and poultry industries do and are allowed to do. In summary - could things be changed some in the beef packing industry? Im sure there are some places that could be, but currently food safety is at an all time high. Evisceration, splitting, primal separating, quality grading, packaging etc are all done in a very sterile environment and inspection in plants is quite good and highly regulated. Could the stunning aspect be changed? I encourage any of you that think so invent your own process that will quickly and humanely allow the volume of animals that are needed to be slaughtered each week to be slaughtered. Until then - this is the best we've got. From my research, there is NO proof that the hormones aren't passed down from the meat. There have been studies done, but none of them can PROVE that it isn't passed down. But there are several studies that PROVE that the reported cases of certain kinds of cancer started to significatly increase in the US when these products started being used. Ever wonder why 12 year old girls these days are in D cups? I have. In my opinion is its crazy that people think that these products the animals are shot up with don't get passed down. And its all for what? MONEY! |
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Lets shed some light on the implant issue. The information I will present is from AS 241 - Meats: Production to Consumption as taught by Duane Wulf Professor of meat science at South Dakota State University.
There is 58% more estrogen in implanted beef vs. non-implanted beef. That is there is 1.2 nanograms of estrogen in non-implanted beef vs 1.9 nanograms of estrogen in implanted beef. Lets take a look at this relatively. Estrogen production in the average male is 136,000 nanograms of estrogen/day. Average female is 200,000 to 1 million nanograms per day and the average pregnant woman produces 4 to 6 million nanograms of estrogen per day. Now lets look at estrogen in other foods... cabbage has 2,700 nanograms of estrogen per serving. Peas have 454 nanograms per serving of estrogen and soybean oil has 28,370 nanograms of estrogen per serving. Doesnt look like much a deal there does it? |
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