RE: Keith Warren
 

I don't see any difference between paying $32K for two racks and buying a piece of property and not killing the small bucks to let them grow, feed them mineral to grow them big, pay the taxes on the land, etc....

Everyone keep prizing the antlers on a deer's head! I'll keep filling my freezer for the cost of a tag. Which in Michigan is becoming outrageous....

Tom

RE: Keith Warren
 

[quote]ORIGINAL: brucelanthier

Watch Jim Shockey, Sunday at 8:00. It isn't bow hunting but it is hunting.
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yea..I like old jim............seems to keep with the fair chase operation .

so many bad shows on outdoor channel........I no longer subscribe to it .


drury's dream season ????

is this the one that makes a competition out of hunting ????


dont like it , dont watch it .

used to watch will primos....seems to be a good group , nice hunts /videos .

RE: Keith Warren
 

Ahh Tom I love you old school MI guys, you belong with these guys.

Grandfather,Great Grandfather and friends



How dare someone buy their own land and do what they want with it[&:]

Some of you watch to much TV;)

RE: Keith Warren
 

Here is the difference. I hunt on my own land, no one else hunts it. I control it. I let the little bucks go so they can get bigger. 135 acres@ $1250/acre =$168K paid 5 years ago. Nowproperty is going forclose to $4k an acre. 135 x 4000=$540,000.I grow my investment and grow my deer! Taxes are $69 year andGovernment pays me $3K per yearfor my trees in CRP.You can see the money grow and here isthe first two bucks I took off my property.

RE: Keith Warren
 

Beautiful Bowhunter.

Looking at the Redman website almost made me sick.

Anybody have a couple hundred acres that I can use to make a deer farm here in PA?

I am a pretty good cook!!!!

RE: Keith Warren
 

2 bucks, 168k, and appreciatingvalue, with an actual income of 3k per year and many more years and buck sto come...Priceless!! Excellent business sense. You have got me thinking now!

RE: Keith Warren
 

Bowhunter2001

285 acres bought in 1860 1.00 an acre = 285 bucks

Now worth close to 5000 grand an acre:D

RE: Keith Warren
 

all it takes is money....

I quit watching a lot of HUNTING TV a long time ago.. I'd love to drag guys like Warren out west on a public land DIY whitetail bowhunt and throw him out in the forest and say...go get em big boy... best of luck...

RE: Keith Warren
 

I agree that your method is better and seemingly more profitable. But it doesn't bother me if someone is willing to pay for antlers. Seems it bothers a lot of folks around here.

Germ,

That is definetly me. That looks like it could have been a real good motley crew.

Tom

RE: Keith Warren
 

Germ, 1860? You must be getting up there in age!

RE: Keith Warren
 

Back in the early 80's I used to hunt outside of Kerrville, Tx. I remember taking my deer to the taxidermist and seeing guys buy 10 point racks (sheds) for as much as $10,000 and have them mounted and sent to their homes. They would never set 1 foot in the woods.

RE: Keith Warren
 

I'm not sure if this has been covered. If you shoot the deer in a high fence preserve would it still qualify for P&Y? If so thats a crock cuz P&Y and B&C are for fair chase or am I naive?

RE: Keith Warren
 

I don't think it would qualify, but it would be so easy to get it scored and entered. They don't ask if theirwas fences up or not.

RE: Keith Warren
 

Seems like there should be something to that effect.

RE: Keith Warren
 

Both P & Y and B&C require the animal to be fairchase. Which would not include a fence. They also require a witness to attest to it.

RE: Keith Warren
 

I just emailed the clown and told him what I thought about his style!

RE: Keith Warren
 

I actually recieved an email back this morning from them. If I can figure out how to insert it on here I will.

RE: Keith Warren
 

Here is the email i got in response to the one i sent about hunting in fences!!





I’m assuming you are referring to the recent show from Ohio? That’s the show where we filmed the father who bought his son – you know, the one who just returned from Iraq – a hunt. Keith hunted an entirely different location and was successful in his hunt and it wasn’t part of the fenced operation you saw. So by all means email our sponsors and make sure you express your dissatisfaction. Let them know that a grateful father shouldn’t have the right to buy his son a hunt. A son who served, sacrificed and defended YOUR freedoms, shouldn’t be given such a gift. The fact that we filmed it an aired it? My response to that? TOUGH! You don’t like it? TURN THE CHANNEL! That young man’s service, sacrifice and commitment to freedom gives you that privilege as well.
Have a nice day.
Roger Bales – Forum Manager

RE: Keith Warren
 

I guess if your in the military, a police officer or a fireman, its ok to shoot penned deer.

RE: Keith Warren
 

Kieth and Allan "Anything for a Nickle" Warren. I hold them both to the highest degree of contempt.

RE: Keith Warren
 

yea i guess so. shoot something you cant brag about. I think Im gonna buy a pet deer and when it gets really big let it loose and shoot it then have it scored. what a joke!!

RE: Keith Warren
 

I'm disappointed at the posted response from his forum, but I'm not really surprised. I use to participate in Keith's forum, but lost interest in it because of the reaction to any criticism of Keith, and the stifling of discussion by a few "owners" of the forum. I don't have anything against him, but I think his "fan" base is pretty limited to Texas, where he is based.

His twin brother, Alan, has a similar show, in that I don't believe I have ever seen him hunt on public land. In Texas, unfortunately, most hunting is on expensive leased land because of the lack of public hunting, other than draw hunts. That's why I usually hunt in another state, even though I live in Texas.

I would agree with one thing in the response.....if you don't like it, change the channel. This program hasn't been a national program very long, and maybe it needs to go back to being a more regional program.

RE: Keith Warren
 

I bet Roger is lying in this response as well although that's speculation because I highly doubt Keith would pass up a shot at a monster buck in a pen....he did it here in PA as PA Hardwoods pointed out. It was obvious when he hunted PA that it was a pen because almost everything he did in the show was illegal for PA fair chase. He hunted over bait (illegal), he hunted with a rifle in Oct (illegal for buck), he hunted fully camo'd with no orange(illegal) and he didn't wear a license.[&:] And he bragged that people said there are no big bucks in PA....HOW SAD!

Yup, turn the channel. We should all let the sponsors know that when his show comes on, we'll turn the channel and their advetisment dollars are wasted because we're turning the channel.....that's intelligent Rodger.[:'(]

And I admire our armed services but the father could have got more bang for his buck ($) by buying a beef steer and have his son shoot it, same difference and better eating....mmMmm Porterhouse Tbone.

RE: Keith Warren
 

I am an outfitter andI take offense to these comments.

BTW this is my first year in business as an outfitter and let me tell you why I did it.

For 3 years I was on the road working disaster relief for huricanesand stroms. We were rebuiliding what nature took away.

For those 3 years if there were no outfitters I couldn't have hunted at all. I did have time to scout, find land (even public) or devote to hunting at all. I barely sqeezed away to hunt for 3 days at an outfitters lodge each year.
Each of those 3 days to me were priceless refuges of stress relief I desperately needed. Even though I didn't shoot a buck on any of those hunts (a buddy did though) I felt like I was being taken care of. They did all the work that I didn't have the time to do and I got to show up and hunt. Otherwise I would have missed 3 years of hunting.

So while at the last one I went to I decided I wanted one of these stress busting retreats and I built this... www.robertsretreatlodge.com

Now I run hunts....we want everyone to have a good time and if possible everyone kill a buck, but we know that everyone is not going to. We have free ranging low fence land for people to hunt that can't or don't have the time to set up thier own trips but still want to hunt.

So before you paint all outfitters with the same brush.... we all don't have 200 acres of penned in deer for you to harvest and so much $ per inch. Some of us provide a needed service to people that wouldn't get to hunt without a place like mine.

Thanks,

RE: Keith Warren
 

SignOfTheTines


Thank you for your post.

It's someone private property, what they do with it is their business. Funny how some here get all bent out of shape when some suggest AR or OBR and cry foul. "Stop telling me what to shoot"

Those same few love to tell landowners how to run their business and what to do with their land.

BTW I caught the PA episode of KW show, it was funny, LOL I have never watch it since[:-]

Shows I like

Lone Wolfs Whitetail Addicts
North America Whitetail show
Wildlife Obsessions

Those are the three I like to watch:)

RE: Keith Warren
 

I agree with Germ, SignOfTheTines (catchy name) and as a former outfitter, I don't agree with the "outfitters ruining hunting message"....

You have a great site, great lodge (I'm a log home/lodge owner myself) but one thing puzzles me and I shoud start another thread but not sure you'll see it.

I checked out your pricing and although reasonable, I don't agree with the "kill fee"....that degrages the hunting experience and penalizes someone for taking a deer of their choice. You double the kill price for a 150 plus animal. If a guys sits on your lease, has a 180 walk by first thing but can't afford the xtra $, that's sad.

It doesn't cost more to grow them (free range deer) so why charge more?

RE: Keith Warren
 

I had a nice friggin longreply and then got timed out...an error I've gotten repeatedly for 2 days! I've emptied old cookies and every other tip..

ERRRRRRRR!

RE: Keith Warren
 

I get it too, GR8.

Try using the post reply in lieu of the fast reply. That seems to work for me.

RE: Keith Warren
 

I would feel bad for the guy who shot a 150 1/8th.[8D] 1/8th cost you 250 bucks[:@]

Nice site and good luck

RE: Keith Warren
 

The $500.00 kill fee was supposed to be removed already... We removed it before we printed our brochures...but somehow it got left on the webpage...

Should be removed today!

Thanks for bringing up a good point... I want people to shoot BIG deer...I dont want to discourage it...

Thanks for bringing up a good point.

RE: Keith Warren
 

My one defense of Keith Warren is that he does take the time every episode to thank the military personnel, and from my perspective that happens way too infrequently. He is not necessarily a terrible person because he enjoys something that you do not.

As far as outfitters go, Ilove outfitters. How else could I hunt caribou? I don't have access to a floatplane, or a camp set up waiting for me and I don't have the time or $ toget all the camping equipment and set it up myself. Also, Ichoose to go with outfitters for elkbecause I don't have to worry about food or shelter and I get to just focus on hunting.However, I would NEVER, NEVER go with an outfitter that would charge me more for shooting a trophy class animal. If it is fair chase, then a caribou is a caribou, an elk is an elk, a deer is a deer and the cost should not be affected by the size.

RE: Keith Warren
 

Do any outfitters offer any service for poor people who love to hunt, hahaha LOL
Probably not, the almighty dollar is what its about. I think the selling of game animals should be illegal, high fencing should be too. Game animals are a natural resource and belong to the people of the state, just as damning a creek would be illegal so should damning deer.
I live in texas and we have no public land to speak of, land owners get ridiculous prices for hunting, so much so I cant afford it anymore, its gotten way out of hand.
Outfitters are ruining the fishing here as well, years ago fisherman would fish and sell the fish to restraunts, the state made it illegal to sell gamefish so fisherman here didnt know what to do, well they started guiding, now they fish 7 days a week taking clients out catching boatloads of fish a day depleting the fishing on the texas coast big time, the states answer is to raise size limits and reduce bag limits, who pays again ? Me, the average joe.
It goes beyond that, its a vicious cycle, guides need bait and lots of it, so shrimpers troll non-stop to meet the demand of baitfish needed to supply the hundreds of guides that litter the Texas coast. well shrimpers kill fish, lots of fish, again depleting the natural resource, who pays, me.

RE: Keith Warren
 

I DO NOT have a problem with this type of guiding, but when you start topay per inch, well this is exactly where the problem begins, selling of game animals should be illegal.

RE: Keith Warren
 

Does Best Buy offer service for poor people who like 50'' Plasma's?

Most states onces you fence it in the animals are not game animals they are live stock. Hard pill to swallow, but if a land owner wants to fence it their land and pay all the fee that go with it. It is their right, we all have to make money.

I for one to not want to stomp on land owners rights, it's a slippery slope from there;)

RE: Keith Warren
 

I was at the Deer convention, back inFebruaryin Collinsville and entered several heads andI didn't bring any witnesses for mine to be scored and entered. They were wondering why they had "collar looking" burns around there necks though. Just kidding! I have one low fence on my road and they can jump that one.

RE: Keith Warren
 

Yes we hunters are men of honor;) We would never put a buck in the books that did not belong there:eek:

RE: Keith Warren
 

If you really want to "get the news out" about your feeling of this and other shows like this...Inform the SPONSORS of your opinions...the only reason these shows exist is because of sponsorship $$...If the sponsors felt that mr Warren is putting out the wrong product ( per watchers opinions) than the sponsors need to perk up and re evaluate there sponsorships to these types of shows...Mr warren will not have a show if the sponsors pull back the $$ and invest it elsewhere...JMO

RE: Keith Warren
 

Bull if it they were live stock state regulations would not apply, and we know they do, native animals never become live stock, exotics do.

RE: Keith Warren
 

In MI game laws do not take place. In a HF ranch I do not have to tag the animal I kill.

All states are different, In MI control of these ranches are under Ag control, not the DNR.

Deer in HF ranch in MI are owned by the ranch. There just live stock like cattle.

It is what it is:eek:

RE: Keith Warren
 

put in the time, sweat, heart ache, tears, free range, out smart them in there own living room, i wouldnt do it any other way. my .02 cents.