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BowHuntingFool 09-08-2007 09:15 AM

RE: Hunting Over Feeders
 

BigJ71 09-08-2007 06:04 PM

RE: Hunting Over Feeders
 

ORIGINAL: StrutNtom


BIG

You make the argument that its not "challenging" b/c you "know" the deer are going to come to the feeder. How is this? Do the guys who hunt over feeders have a lead or tracking collar on the deer? In this case hunting over a feeder or bait is no different than hunting over a food plot or an oak tree dropping acorns. You "know" the deer are coming, right?

Ok. Here it goes:

You find a good oak ridge deep inside the woods, no one else knows about it. They are loaded with nice tasty white oak acorns and guess what? You look at your feet and they have started to drop. Man, oh man. you hit the power ball. Deer tracks EVERYWHERE!!!! BINGO!!!!!! You scout the area, pick a few trees to put a stand(s) in to cover every wind that you possibly can. You enter the area the next afternoon with hopes of that next Booner coming your way. An hour and a half before sunsetyou see him. Coming right into the acorns. You wait for the shot, let the string fly. WHHHHAMMMMM. He is down for the count. Congrats man!!! AWESOME BUCK!!!!

Ok...here we go:

You scout deep into the woods. You find a nice place where the deer have been traveling through well. You think, "hum, they are coming in here good, so why not put out some corn to try to get them to visit the area a little more frequently". So, you go back. Grab a 50lb bag of corn and throw it over your shoulder. A bag of corn over your shoulder, a stand in your hand. You get back to the spot. Find a place where you want to put out some corn. So, you do so. Then you pick a few trees that you put up stand(s) in to cover every possible wind that you can. You hunt the area with great hopes of the next booner coming your way. The next morning 2hrs after sunrise here he comes. OMG. You about fall out of the stand! You pull the string back and WHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAMmmmm OMG MAN !!! AWESOME BUCK!!!

Whats the difference?
The difference as I see it is simple. The deer can arrive into the ridge of oak trees from any direction and feed in any spot. Please don't try to tell me that there is only one oak tree.To drop enough acorns to bring in deer day after day there is going to be a LOT of trees probably over a few acres or more.

A feeder takes up what??? all of a few feet? It's a SPECIFIC spot that you can set up a stand at an EXACT distance and KNOW the deer will be there feeding day after day.

You can spin it all you want but there is a big difference between a food plot, watering hole, oak tree grove or anything natural or man made, that is spread out over acres of forest or farm fieldscompared to a small isolated feeder dumping corn (or whatever) in a 8-10ft circle....please

StrutNtom, there is no need to get upset, this is just a discussion, I have said before I don't condemn anyone who hunts legally. I never have nor will I ever. I'm happy for all who score a kill. I'm just trying to understand a completely different way of thinking when it comes to hunting.

WesternMdHardwoods 09-08-2007 06:20 PM

RE: Hunting Over Feeders
 
Hey my opinion on this is who cares!! I hunt with corn piles and always will!
What I wanna say IS A LOT OF HUNTERS WILL NOT HUNT WITH BAIT BECAUSE OF A FEW REASONS!!!
1.They dont approve of it~~~~ OK thats you drop it!!
2.They say it makes deer nocturnal~~~ Maybe it does, but then this is a disadvantage to us!!
3.They say deer are too scared while eating~~~ once again another disadvantage to us!!
4.Its not legal~~~ Sorry to hear that!!!

I know there are a lot more reasons!! People that dont hunt with bait need to stop bashing others that do!!! Especially with all the disadvantages that feeding will produce!!!


StrutNtom 09-08-2007 06:46 PM

RE: Hunting Over Feeders
 

ORIGINAL: BigJ12


ORIGINAL: StrutNtom


BIG

You make the argument that its not "challenging" b/c you "know" the deer are going to come to the feeder. How is this? Do the guys who hunt over feeders have a lead or tracking collar on the deer? In this case hunting over a feeder or bait is no different than hunting over a food plot or an oak tree dropping acorns. You "know" the deer are coming, right?

Ok. Here it goes:

You find a good oak ridge deep inside the woods, no one else knows about it. They are loaded with nice tasty white oak acorns and guess what? You look at your feet and they have started to drop. Man, oh man. you hit the power ball. Deer tracks EVERYWHERE!!!! BINGO!!!!!! You scout the area, pick a few trees to put a stand(s) in to cover every wind that you possibly can. You enter the area the next afternoon with hopes of that next Booner coming your way. An hour and a half before sunsetyou see him. Coming right into the acorns. You wait for the shot, let the string fly. WHHHHAMMMMM. He is down for the count. Congrats man!!! AWESOME BUCK!!!!

Ok...here we go:

You scout deep into the woods. You find a nice place where the deer have been traveling through well. You think, "hum, they are coming in here good, so why not put out some corn to try to get them to visit the area a little more frequently". So, you go back. Grab a 50lb bag of corn and throw it over your shoulder. A bag of corn over your shoulder, a stand in your hand. You get back to the spot. Find a place where you want to put out some corn. So, you do so. Then you pick a few trees that you put up stand(s) in to cover every possible wind that you can. You hunt the area with great hopes of the next booner coming your way. The next morning 2hrs after sunrise here he comes. OMG. You about fall out of the stand! You pull the string back and WHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAMmmmm OMG MAN !!! AWESOME BUCK!!!

Whats the difference?
The difference as I see it is simple. The deer can arrive into the ridge of oak trees from any direction and feed in any spot. Please don't try to tell me that there is only one oak tree.To drop enough acorns to bring in deer day after day there is going to be a LOT of trees probably over a few acres or more.

A feeder takes up what??? all of a few feet? It's a SPECIFIC spot that you can set up a stand at an EXACT distance and KNOW the deer will be there feeding day after day.

You can spin it all you want but there is a big difference between a food plot, watering hole, oak tree grove or anything natural or man made, that is spread out over acres of forest or farm fieldscompared to a small isolated feeder dumping corn (or whatever) in a 8-10ft circle....please

StrutNtom, there is no need to get upset, this is just a discussion, I have said before I don't condemn anyone who hunts legally. I never have nor will I ever. I'm happy for all who score a kill. I'm just trying to understand a completely different way of thinking when it comes to hunting.
I'm not upset at all and its people like you who put the "spin" on things. You call it what you want. There is no difference.

So, a 5ac plot or a 1ac stand of oaks isn't a specific spot? come on.... you are going WAYYYY on the edge here....there is no difference b/t any of them.

Studies have shown that deer can memorize a certain tree out of an entire forest and the "ball park figure" of when it will be drop acorns.

If you don't beleive this come to the south and study a herd of deer over a few periods of years during the time that our persimmon trees start to drop the fruit.

LoL...you are a funny guy. You try to "prove" a difference b/t a watering hole and a corn feeder? how? Can you not watch a watering hole? come on fella. you can do better than that.

I see that you are from IL. Yeah, I bet you love hunting those corn fields don't you? Why? is it b/c you know the deer will be coming to them?

StrutNtom 09-08-2007 07:03 PM

RE: Hunting Over Feeders
 
Forget that post and just answer this one for me and then I am calling it quits.


Alright, think about it. The methodology behind hunting a food plot, an ag field, an oak ridge, wateringer hole, and so on is to what?Its to kill deer. You set up on these places b/c according to you, you "know" the deer might come.

Alright...take the feeder or corn "pile", which you don't pile corn...but anyways... its the same idea.

Its like saying that driving a car to work is different than driving a truck to work. Yes it is different, but whats the principle of both? TO GET YOU TO WORK!!!!!

mbruizer187 09-08-2007 07:17 PM

RE: Hunting Over Feeders
 
Think you are all reading way into what he is saying just to argue. Plain and simple he has never hunted that way, wether its not allowed or he just doesnt want too, and was wondering if it felt the same. If thats the way you hunt and have been hunting it feels the same to you as his methods do to him. To say setting up on a pile of corn which can't be more than 2ft by 2ft say, or a feeder that spreads food in a 8-10ft circumfrance is exactly like setting up over a 10-30acre corn field then you are out of your tree, you can set right on top of the first 2 but where are you going to set up on that field you better do your homework or you will be looking at deer hundreds of yards away laughing at you. I could care less either way what ever is your style and is legal is fine with me.

Rich

early in 09-08-2007 07:52 PM

RE: Hunting Over Feeders
 
This year in Payou can bait on private property, in some "Special Regs" areas. I have a small spot in WMU 5-D that I can hunt, but I won't bait. It's the same as a feeder in my mind.You're luring them to a specific location. I don't believe in this type of "hunting".[:'(][:'(]JMO

solocamcan 09-08-2007 08:53 PM

RE: Hunting Over Feeders
 

ORIGINAL: BigJ12


ORIGINAL: WakeCow

I would have to agree with you BigJ kind of takes the sport out of it. But to each his own right?
Yep, in some states it's legal but even if it were legal here in Illinois I wouldn't even consider it. I can't see how setting up 25yds from a feeder and waiting for deer YOU KNOW will be coming to eat from itamounts to fair chase.

Maybe someone can enlighten me....

PerhapsI'm too old fashion or out of touch with how hunting is done these days.:eek: Lets face it, it's an "instant gratification" world we are living in today and I fear that mentality has spilled over into hunting.
I will enlighten you....I live in Illinois as you do...I hunt Public land at Clinton Lake...a patch of woods that is surrounded on 2 sides by fields, 1 is corn and 1 is beans, and they rotate them bi-annual as you know....EVERY year, as soon as they pick that corn, for 2 weeks straight I can set my watch to when the deer come into that picked field to eat....So by your statements, I should not hunt during this time? I understand it's not "baiting" in the sense....but it is baiting in a way. You can't sit here and tell me that you don't hunt the edges of fields living in Illinois.

I don't understand why people are so hung up about "baiting", it's legal in certain states, get over it. I don't see why certain people seem to want to divide the baiting states vs, the non-baiting states. If you don't like it, don't evermove to a "baiting state".

BigJ71 09-08-2007 10:56 PM

RE: Hunting Over Feeders
 

I see that you are from IL. Yeah, I bet you love hunting those corn fields don't you? Why? is it b/c you know the deer will be coming to them?
StrutNtom

I don't hunt corn fields....NEVER have, I hunt mainly forest. My gun stand is the only one that overlooks a field (family property)and it's nothing but scrub brush and natural grass that we bush hog every year to keep it down and stop it from over growning the fields.


So, a 5ac plot or a 1ac stand of oaks isn't a specific spot? come on.... you are going WAYYYY on the edge here....there is no difference b/t any of them.
Not as specific as a 10ft circle loaded with corn, no. Read this carefully......there is NO WAY you can cover five acres from your tree stand or ground blind, no way. Can you say the same for a feeder? THAT'S the difference!!


LoL...you are a funny guy. You try to "prove" a difference b/t a watering hole and a corn feeder? how? Can you not watch a watering hole? come on fella. you can do better than that.
I don't know what types of "watering holes" you're talking about but the ones I hunted overwere way bigger than 40 yards across. If a deer came to drink on the opposite side I was SOL. I mostly hunted by creeks and deer would cross and stop and drink in all different spots, again NOT the same as a 8-10ft circle of corn 20yds away from your stand.


Forget that post and just answer this one for me and then I am calling it quits.


Alright, think about it. The methodology behind hunting a food plot, an ag field, an oak ridge, wateringer hole, and so on is to what?Its to kill deer. You set up on these places b/c according to you, you "know" the deer might come.

Alright...take the feeder or corn "pile", which you don't pile corn...but anyways... its the same idea.

Its like saying that driving a car to work is different than driving a truck to work. Yes it is different, but whats the principle of both? TO GET YOU TO WORK!!!!!
Ok StrutNtom now were getting somewhere, I agree with your analogy. You are correct all of the methods you listed above are done so you (or me) can get in close enough to get a shot on a deer. I never wrote anything to the contrary, I simply feel that one of the methods you listed above has something that the other methods don't.......with one method you know theexact distanceand position that the deer will be in (within a few feet) I wonder if you could guess which one it is?


You can't sit here and tell me that you don't hunt the edges of fields living in Illinois.
Solocamcan, if you are referring to an agricultural field.....Yes I can. As mentioned above I've only hunted over a natural grass and scrub brush field. That's not to say that I'd never hunt over a corn field, etc... because I would. Would it make it easier for me to see deer? Probably but there would be no way for me to know exactly where I would see them or at what distance.

That (to me) it the part that I'm hung up on and where I draw the line.

Guys, thanks for the conversation, I've learned a lot from your posts. I wish everyone much luck this year and I will be very happy for anyone who partakes in this great past time whether an animal is taken or not and by any means they are taken as long as it legal to do so.

Greg / MO 09-08-2007 11:03 PM

RE: Hunting Over Feeders
 
Again, just dropping in to say that I'm extremely proud of our veteran members here for discussing issues so diplomatically -- you guys make me proud, as always... Let's make sure we all learn from those examples and not take things to a personal level.




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