Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

Ran onto this in another forum, and can't even believe it. I just want everyone to look at this, and then tell me if I am crazy for what I said to him.If the majority tell me I am wrong then I will publicly apologize to him (DeadEye).

http://www.texasboars.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6190

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

man i dont know i have never killed a hog i have heard there harder to kill then white tail as far as vitals. i wouldn't have taken that shot but thats me

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

i'm on the fence with this one, part of me says yes, unethical... but part of me says no given the description of the circumstances he gave... sometimes there is a fine line between ethical and unethical shots, for me, this would be one of those borderline shots... I probably would have waited a bit cuz I'd consider that a low percentage shot FOR ME, but, some others may not consider this a low percentage shot and if I were in that group I'd take it...

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

I have no ethics where hogs are concerned. Being from the panhandle you know what kind of damage they are capable of. Thin them out any way you can. I would take the shot and hope for the opportunity.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

personally i dont agree with head shots - it just seems disrespectful for some reason - but thats just my opinion

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

No need to apologize.You said how you feel and thats that. And IMO Your RIGHT!!!

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

i wouln't have taken the shot. but that deadeye sounds like the type that would..........

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

You hit the nail on the head...no pun intended!!

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

No apology needed, if you ask me. He isn't attackingwhat you saidfrom what I read and you voiced an opinion. No need to say you are sorry for what you believe in.... I think you are right, for what its worth..

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

I think it was a stupid shot especially when he says if you are shaking and you even admit that it was half luck why in the hell are you taking that shot. Stupid shot, stupid decision.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

Kill hogs anyway that you can.............If you ever live in the country or make your living with agriculture yaou know what I am saying.

-john

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

I think the shot was stupid as well. I would never shoot any animal that way regardless of damage they cause or whatever. It's just barbaric somehow. I'm glad he recovered the animal, but sad he disrespected it at the same time. I don't care if it was his first bow kill or not. It doesn't excuse him.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

I do agree that that shot was inhumane, especially when he admitted that it was a half skill, half luck shot. I personally would not have taken that particular shot. I would be scared that my arrow would deflect off the boar's head, but more so that I would hit a non vital area such as the jaw, leading in a prolonged death.

I do believe; however, that if they are causing the destruction of crops they can be taken by any means possible. If the hogs are tearing up a farmer's field then any lethal shot would be acceptable to me. I am not talking about your average Joe's corn field out back, but rather a man either living off of his crop or selling his crop for profit. I have heard they can decimate a farmer's crops in the snap of a finger.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

Unethical. I dont care how comfortable you are with it. A head shot shows you have no respect for the animal you are hunting.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

I think ou mean "A head shot shows you have no respect for the animal you are hunting." :D

And IMO, a head shot should not be taken with a bow. But my gosh... if you're good enough to head shot game with a rifle, then I say go for it!

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

Haha yea I caught that right before I seen your post. Thanks though.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

That whole Texas MB seems strange to me right down to it's administrator. No room for head shots in bowhunting I don't care what your hunting.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

Exactly what I was thinking....Kind ofchuckledto myself when I readwhat the Admin said about him not being around for long.:)

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

I understand that hogs are a problem to the farms and ranches in the south. I understand that they need to be controlled by hunting. That does not excuse the taking of an "UNETHICAL ARCHERY SHOT". If you choose to use archery as your method to harvest an animal, you have a responsibility to do so in the accepted and prescribed manner by which we were all trained in hunter education. The reason we shoot for the "VITALS" is because that is what offers us the greatest degree of certainty in making a humane kill. I agree that Deadeye made a poor choice and hope that he does not repeat it.

I don't believe that he thinks he was wrong by what I read. On a sarcastic note, I hope he takes a trip to Kodiak Island and attempts the same shot on a 1,000 pound Brown bear. Hey, it worked on a hog, should work on a bear right? I would not apologize to him as he was wrong in his shot selection. His attitude and lack of concern is what gives all ethical hunters a blackeye!

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

He admits in the thread that he was indeed shooting for the head. Inexperience as a bowhunter, plain and simple. He will try it again and eventually; sooner than later, he will lose a pig and forget the nonsence of head shooting a pig. Being a pig (feral hog) these are a nusiance down south and manypeople don't treat them with the same respect as other game animals. No need in arguing with the gomer.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

well said hardcore

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

Personally i wouldnt have taken a head shot, and you said that it was your opinion, so therefor you are defenitely right.

There is no need for you to apologize

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

Jesus Christ no, NO CURSING, it is "absolutely forbidden"

but by all means... shoot at a 4inch moving target with a bow!

Anyone else get that twilight zone feeling while reading the general replies of the masses including those of theadminsat that site?

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

head shot mentality is going to hurt dedicated bowhunters who are more responsibly andknowthats a unethical shot NO apology needed

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

i wouldnt take the shot but "ethical" is in the eyes of the beholder. i shot a deer in the head (turned to lick itself when i fired the arrow) and went through both sides of its skull with a 50lb bow when i was younger. i wouldnt try for it but if he is confident in it who are we to tell him different. there are guys that shoot deer over 50yrds and as of two years ago id say they were unethical hunters but the last two years ive had a lot more practice time and am totally confident that under perfect conditions i can "ethically" kill at 50yrds or less. maybe itll catch up to him but dont take away somones ability to decide for themselves if its right or wrong, if they are good people theyll do whats right for them.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

To intentionally take a shot at a moving big game animal is wrong and should not be taken, looks like we all know that and they certainly don't. I hope like hell he doesn't try it on deer just because he thinks he can. I know everyone there is thinking hogs but I'm sure the young man will take the same shot on deer. Like hch said, no use aguing with a gomer and we're not going to change his way of thinking when others are on the bandwagon congratulating him. The admin should have politely corrected him immediately and not allowing what followed because it paints us all in a bad light. I hope that is a small site that and those that would use it to cause us harm do not find it.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

Well, I waited to see what the general consensus was here before I made my final reply to him, and now I am done on posting on the subject to him. If a man does not have ethics by the time he is grown, it's likely he never will as long as he is unwilling to listen to others.

You see, I do know what kind of damage feral hogs do. It comes right out of my pocket as a landowner in hog country. I don't need anyone to preach that to me. However, when I pick up a bow I am sport hunting for the challenge,and as such place the highest priority on ethics. I love bowhunting hogs, maybe even more than deer, and it is a personal challenge I impose upon myself to beat the hog at his own game, and beat the restrictions I put upon myself.

I do engage in population control hunts on occasion to help alleviate crop damage. When I do that, I use the appropriate weapon which is a large bore rifle, set up for fast and dirty work. At that point, all bets are off. It is population control, it is killing, not hunting as we so often talk about it. A 3000 fps, 180 grain controlled expansion bullet through the brain is a little different story than an arrow. Or 12 ga. slugs as you fly creek bottoms in a helicopter, flushing and shooting. You probably have to have done that kind of work before to really understand it. Hogs are an introduced species. They are invasive. They destroy crops AND native habitat/species. They must be controlled.

But as a game animal, using archery tackle, they deserve respect. Either way, I am not out to risk maiming an animal. Either way, my intention is to kill it, quickly and effectively. Head shot with a bow meets none of the criteria on my list. It is a boy burning grasshoppers with a magnifying glass. Hopefully he will grow out of it, like most boys do.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

You can add me to the list with Lunger. PM me with the results of your next hunt. I think you should keep posting, sounds like 99% of us approve! John

Well in my oppinion 99% of them either didn't know what they were talking about or were morons. I don't have to deal with hogs and if I did maybe my oppinion would be different. Critr-GitrI'd stick to hunting.net its full of experienced people who really know their stuff :) I know I've learned a lot just reading posts from different members.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

In defense of TexasBoars, alot of them over there really do know their stuff when talking about hunting hogs. Unfortunately, many of those replying weren't even bowhunters or very experienced members. They are applying rifle tactics to a bow and not realizing they are wrong. There is one guy over there who is in the hospital right now that would have been completely on my side, and probably would have changed the whole outlook of the post. He has killed hundreds of hogs with a bow and would have backed me if he had been there, but oh well. Such is life.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

The way I look at it if you are that good to shoot a animal in the head go right a head butI dont wanna hear your wining , not spelled right im sure , when you miss or wound it lol . I am not that good with a bow . Only time I would shoot a animal like a deer or hog in the headis if I had a 12 ga buckshot and it was 10 15 yard shot .

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

i have hit hogs an actully one doe in the head with a arrow i wasnt aiming there but it happenedit took the hogs down pretty quick but the doe i hit right between the eyes an didnt mean to (my first bow kill) it came out the back of her head an i waited 2 hours to look for her an when we found he she was still alive i had to shoot her again so no i dont think its ethical

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

He shot, he killed, ethical shot.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

[&:]

Some of those people think thats the greatest shot in the world because he nailed him in the head. Sounds like a kid to me.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

Head shots are unethical with a bow, period!!!

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

Personally when it comes to hogs ive seen what they can do to land and to a person. Kill em all. I have no use for them, kill them any manner you wish a dead pig is a good pig as long as its in the frying pan! Great pig man.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

I don't agree with taking a head shot with a bow, don't see it as being ethical or respectful to the animal. No matter what the circumstances are if you say what you believe than there is no need to apologize.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

SO what, it's a hog. Wish all youhoghunters would come to my club and eradicate them.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

I'll need directions!

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

I have been thinking about this. The owner of my lease wants hogs killed. He doesn't care how. Some of you may not understand this but I liken hogs to rats. They are vermin.How many of you are concerned about the suffering a rat goes through when it eats the poison you put out for it?
Hogs are fun to hunt. I enjoy it almost as much as I enjoy deer hunting, however I put the animals in very distinct and different catagories. I liken killing hogs to killing rats. Dead is dead and that is all that matters. I understand that I'm opening myself up to criticism. Thats OK. I just want you to understand how some people feel about feral hogs. They are not a noble game animal in the minds of many.
I would much prefer a shot at heart/lungs, however if a head shot is all that is offered I will take it.
How many of you that condemn this have experience with hogs?
Critr-Gitr, your opinion is yours and I respect how you feel. I hope people may understand better how I feel whether or not my opinion is respected.

RE: Unethical shot and won't even admit it!
 

I would have to disagree with the generalizationor correlation ofinexperienced bowhunters and headshots. If you disagree, take a look at Rick Welch's second video.

Not saying I am for or against the shot, I really do not have an opinion either way.

Here is a pretty neet video to take a look at though (watch the whole thing):

here