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tree stand shooting
when you shoot your bow and you adjust your sight on the ground, is there a difference from when you shoot it from the tree stand? do you aim higher?
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Line of sight distance is longer than the "actual range." I forget the exact formula, but the #1 reason people miss from their treestand is they don't bend at the waist. They drop their bow arm to get on target and shoot high. You need to keep your upper body level, and bend at the waist to get on target.
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The difference in line of sight and actual range isn't that much, but it is longer. a squared + b squared = c squared.... Its a right triangle, the Pythagorean theorem applies.
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we went out and bought a ladder stand and use that in the back yard shooting at full size deer targets from as close and as right staright down to out at 40 yards. you gota !! besides its worth the investment to put your shots where they count. We shoot ofteen it helps a lot.
Besides You'd be crazy not to.I mean Why go in the woods and spend all that time and money toNOT know where your arrow is going to go!! If youhave a climber Use try to use it in theback yard or where ever you can.and practice and fine tune from there before you attempt to kill something. Injured Deer give Hunters a really Bad name when they fall in Open Veiw of others. As far assights the best one for your question with reguards for tunning only on the ground! Thatwould be a pendulume Sight. you can sight them on the ground and they are very accurate upto 30-35 yards for me W/out any drop.Persoanly I use one and Love it. I feel itgives you no reason to second guess to many pins when your hearts ready to jump out ofyour chest. Good Luck |
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A^2 + B^2 = C^2 so to find actual C distance we take the square root.
However as relating to the triangle of you in a tree. You are not shooting the Hypotonuse you are shooting, the base distance. so if A=base and B=height and C is the Seen distance, you need only shoot the A distance. Hey it made sense to me when I wrote it.  |
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I dont notice a difference when shooting from the ground or from the tree!
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now that made no sence to me GR8atta2d im a little slow
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Thats why i bought the ol' Leupold RX-II takes out the math i was never too good at.
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i always aim a little low when im huntin from a tree stand cause of the downward angle
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actually you aim lower or adjust your sight from the desired height you will be shooting from so all you do is aim and shoot.
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I have a 16' ladder stand that I always practice from in the backyard. This way my pins are set up for game time (meaning a hunting situation), not practice time. Iput outa block target or two and use my range finder just as I would in the woods. I personally feel like it's a way to remove one more variableI would haveadjust for when tension is running high, and I've had great success since doing so.
What you're talking about is also the theory behind penudlum sights I believe. The mechanics of the sight compensate A^2 + B^2 = C^2 Just as Wis Bo Huntr said, you need to aim a little lower when shooting from a tree with a bow that is sighted in on the ground. How much or how little depends on the setup, your height above ground, your target's distance away, etc. By sighting in from a tree, and practicing from a tree, all I need to do is worry about my yardage, not my yardage, and then remember to aim a little low... no, no, no, still a little lower.... sh* |
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One of the main reasons for having to aim lower shooting down hill or up hill is the gravitational pull--Shooting down or up less pull from gravity!!!IMO!!!
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ORIGINAL: G_O_N when you shoot your bow and you adjust your sight on the ground, is there a difference from when you shoot it from the tree stand? do you aim higher? For my bow @ 260FPS the difference is about 1 1/2" @ 27 yds. Seems to me the actual difference - line of sight distance is some where around 2.5 yds. @ 30 yds. I myself don't think it makes that much difference in real world hunting situations,BUT, if you know about it you might as well adjust your sights for it. IMHO |
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I always practice from a tree before season opens but never notice a difference in my shooting.
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It depends on the speed or droppage of your arrow, the height of the stand and how far the target is. To know how much tocompensate (now you have your triangle).The easy way to compensate would be to use your range finder and target a tree near your intended target measure your distance the same height up as your are in the stand and go with that distance.
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ORIGINAL: buck_master_101 Thats why i bought the ol' Leupold RX-II takes out the math i was never too good at. The problem is that from hunting stand heigts,all this is way over rated.The biggest difference in a triangle is when the angle is increased,meaning,you have to be shooting very close to straight down for it to take effect.The problem with that is that the distance from your stand is so close it probably doesn't matter anyway.;) When you increase the distance from the stand,the angle flattens out dramatically so very little compensation,IF ANY is needed. |
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Me scratching head [8D]I always hated math [:@]:D
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d A^2 + B^2 = C^2 so to find actual C distance we take the square root. However as relating to the triangle of you in a tree. You are not shooting the Hypotonuse you are shooting, the base distance. so if A=base and B=height and C is the Seen distance, you need only shoot the A distance. Hey it made sense to me when I wrote it.
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ORIGINAL: buck_master_101 Thats why i bought the ol' Leupold RX-II takes out the math i was never too good at. |
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When I'm hunting from a stand, I will range an object directly in my line of sight, at the height I'm at. Subtract 2 yards, set my sight, and I'm dead on.
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Bend at the waist, pick a hair and give it to em.;)
23 yards from the tree is 23 yards from the tree...the difference in a range finder and the pythagorean theory is what, (we had the chart here some time ago), less than a yard, two at the most depending on extreme heights....in a hunting situation you can't shoot the difference, worst case, pick a hair under the hair you were going to shoot and remember to aim for the exit hole. |
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Hi Bloodcreek,
Think of it like this... Lets say you sighted in your 30 yard pin. We know that arrow is not flying exactly straight at the target. It actually shoots a little high to couteract the forces of gravity. It goes up and arcs down to hit your target. In reality you sighted your bow is sighted in to account for how much that arrow drops in 30 yards right? Right. So here is the thing... Lets say you ranged your block at 30 yds from the base of a tree. If you climb it to 10 yds (or 30 feet) and range it, it will always be a couple of yards farther from the top of the tree than the base of the tree. So then here is theheart of this thread. Which yardage readingdoyou use? The one at the top of the tree that, or at the bottom? The bottom ( 30 yds). because no matter how high up you are in that tree, the arrow still flies 30 yards from the base of the tree to that block. So most everybody is right here because... 1) If you subtract 2-3 yards from the range at the top of the tree you're really shooting very close to what the range is from the bottom, which is about 30 yds 2) in a^2+b^2=c^2, a = the distance from the base of the tree which is 30yds 3) If you aim a little low from the range at the top of the tree, you are compensating for the extra yardage at the top of the tree and again aiming for aproximatly 30 yds. 4) Now for the guys that are aiming right on from the top of the tree, if they sighted in their sights from the top of the tree, they'll be right on. If they sighted in their bows from the ground, then they'll hit a couple inches low.. but in real life, a couple of inches is well within what it takes to kill a deer, and if the deer squats those couple of inches just before he bolts seconds before the arrow hits him, he just made up those inches for you and he's a dead deer. So there is my minimal math explination on why everybody is right. |
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Its really not that hard IMO. Like someone else said, bend at the waist and aim for the exit hole. Todays bow are fast enough to allow a slight yardage misjudgment. Mine is anyway.[8D]
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ORIGINAL: Redmoon Hi Bloodcreek, Think of it like this... Lets say you sighted in your 30 yard pin. We know that arrow is not flying exactly straight at the target. It actually shoots a little high to couteract the forces of gravity. It goes up and arcs down to hit your target. In reality you sighted your bow is sighted in to account for how much that arrow drops in 30 yards right? Right. So here is the thing... Lets say you ranged your block at 30 yds from the base of a tree. If you climb it to 10 yds (or 30 feet) and range it, it will always be a couple of yards farther from the top of the tree than the base of the tree. So then here is theheart of this thread. Which yardage readingdoyou use? The one at the top of the tree that, or at the bottom? The bottom ( 30 yds). because no matter how high up you are in that tree, the arrow still flies 30 yards from the base of the tree to that block. So most everybody is right here because... 1) If you subtract 2-3 yards from the range at the top of the tree you're really shooting very close to what the range is from the bottom, which is about 30 yds 2) in a^2+b^2=c^2, a = the distance from the base of the tree which is 30yds 3) If you aim a little low from the range at the top of the tree, you are compensating for the extra yardage at the top of the tree and again aiming for aproximatly 30 yds. 4) Now for the guys that are aiming right on from the top of the tree, if they sighted in their sights from the top of the tree, they'll be right on. If they sighted in their bows from the ground, then they'll hit a couple inches low.. but in real life, a couple of inches is well within what it takes to kill a deer, and if the deer squats those couple of inches just before he bolts seconds before the arrow hits him, he just made up those inches for you and he's a dead deer. So there is my minimal math explination on why everybody is right. I guarantee that if your 30 feet in a tree, the target is 30 yards from the tree and you range it, you'll range 31 yards. No one here can shoot the difference. Pick an exit hole and give it to em. ;) Here's some math to ponder..... If you are 21 feet up in a tree (pretty standard height) You range 20 yards from your treestand, the target will be 18.73 yards. You range 25 yards from your treestand, the target will be 24 yards. You range 30 yards from your treestand, the target will be 29. 17 yards. You range 35 yards from your treestand, the target will be 34.29 yards. You range 40 yards from your treestand, the target will be 39.38 yards. |
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