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How many people have been noticing the gutshots on television shows. I was watching a couple shows the other day and I noticed the arrow were hitting the deer a lil far back. Seems like I am seeing more and more of this. Then they track the deer and its right there. I understand on anagled shot yeah you want to shoot back, but on a broadside shot?

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They're under a LOT of pressure to get kills on video.

There's going to be more and more of this (IMO). Rather than only air the good shots....they're going to get the kills on video to be able to show the antlers.

Just a fact.....

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Well I dunno they usually cut alot of footage out when they go for a recovery and make it seem shorter

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I have filmed for different shows for 5 years now and you would not believe the morons that I have to film sometimes. A couple of years ago I filmed a guy from a leading ATV sponsor shoot an antelope in the back hips. The goat stood there as this moron reloaded and fired 2 more times and missed both shots. The goat still didn't move, probably because it's hips were broken, just stood there. He reloaded again and put on a STALK! I crap you not, he snuck through a ditch and popped up and finished this goat off. It was a 15" trophy. The final show was great, but it sure wasn't the truth. Editing is what you are seeing on these shows.

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Ok so I have to ask... what show was it?

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I think this is a good thing. Not every shot that you are going to make at and animal is going to be a double lung shot. By showing some poor shots on t.v it shows that even the pros make bad shots too. These may not be where the pros wanted to shoot that deer, buts thats reality and it does happen.

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From what I have seen on the shows I would not classify any of them "PRO's" TV personalities yes Pro's never.

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Then why don't they show the poor blood trails, backing out and waiting until the next day, the hard tracking for several hundred yards, etc etc?
Nope, they show the basic4 steps.

1. Shot
2. "Wow"
3. "There he is Steve, great shot"
4. Nascar syndrome (Name all sponsors and make sure not to forget any.)

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That is a huge pet peeve of mine only because they do not tell the viewer the time delay from shot to recovery. On some it's obvious they wait to the next day but I wish they'd educate people on why and what happened.

A gut shot is a fatal wound and a recovery can be very simple when precautions and education is taken.

I don't doubt at times on some of these shows they get 25 guys out to look and then do a fake recovery but I wish they'd explain it.

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I don't want to name any of the shows that I worked for because you never know who is on the net, but 2 of them are on MOR and the other is a cable show here in VA. I don't work for the local show anymore, he is using footage from local hunters and has a different idea of how to do a show than I do. We parted ways as friends. Another quick story since someone mentioned they may have 20 people tracking. I was filming a guy who is the father of one of the big wigs in the Bow Industry. We were in a blind in NM and had Elk all over us. We heard a huge Bugle and then the Elk stopped in front of the window of the blind about 2' from us and this guy shoots into the brown fur in the window. We have no idea at that point where the shot was because he just shot fur. The Tracking party was every hunter in camp, all 3 camera ops, 4 guides and the owner of the property. Nobody hunted for 3 straight days until we got a look at the Bull and found that the arrow had hit him in the shoulder and the Bull was fine. We all felt bad for the Older Shooter, but he knew he jumped the gun. The two finest hunters I have been in camp with led the track and didn't even think about hunting until we knew the fate of that bull. Bill Winke and Mark Kayser earned my respect on that hunt. This might not be the norm, but I was there and that is what happened. Some of these pros are hunters first and tv guys last. I have shared camps in Sasketchuan and Wyoming with those guys and they will never change. Hunters first, business second.

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We produce a TV show in ND and yes at times we make a less than perfect shot and yes we miss but we try and show the whole story without pulling any punches. However you do have to follow some guidelines and common sense on what you can and can't show! But I do agree with you guys there are a lot of guys filming that should stick to working on their hunting skills in the field and forget the filming! We go out with the intent on hoping to film a show however if we don't so be it and we try again later. I know there are guys in the industry that look at it as a do or die situation and kill at any cost????

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Not all videos are the same!

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Not to argue or anything, but I find it strange that you can't tell that practically every time they do a fake recovery. Now most of you guys have more experience than me (I have only killed three deer), so correct me if I am wrong, but every time I have shot a deer, when I picked it's head up, it's mouth was open with tounge hanging out. These guys walk right up to them on the "recovery" and the mouth is amazingly closed. While I know this does not make as good of a picture, I think it proves that the recovery is staged. It may be the first time the hunter has got ahold of it, but somebody as prepped that deer.

Don't get me wrong, I don't really care, it is just something that I noticed.

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I was out shooting my bow last week with a friend of mine and we were talking about all the gutshot deer on these outdoor shows.Some of these people need some more practice, then again I have never bneen under that kind ofpressure.

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Backwoods, I can definately tell it's a fake recovery however you'd be surprised how many novices or beginners see these shows and see a gut shot and an immediate retreval and think that's real life...that's all.

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As far as that goes we always recover our animals live and yes the tongues hang out but we try and push them in as we are looking at the animal to make it look better. It may be the real thing with the tongue hanging out but it is not good to show this on video and in pictures. In my opinion is shows bad taste and gives activists more fuel and it may turn a fence rider the wrong way. So just maybe these guys may be doing this to protect our hunting. No one likes to see animals suffer or look bad, I have shot animals on film and hit them as good as you can but nobody wants to see them blowing their lungs out their nose as they die so some of this is done for a reason.

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I have always, without a doubt, cleaned the animal up, hidden the tongue and sometimes even put in fake eyes for the camera before the recovery and the "talk over the trophy" segment. It is only respectful to the animal and doesn't feed the fire of the anti's. Can you imagine ESPN2 on a Saturday morning showing a buck with blood dripping out of it's nose and it's tongue hanging out? That would be the last show on that network. It's just done in good taste and not to hide anything from the viewers.

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Some people get too caught up in the "filming" of the hunt or the "TV" or "Video", why not just hunt! It seems like everybody wants to be a production company instead of a hunter! JMO!!!!!!! Sure film it but why not keep it personal, like it should be!

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I dont mind them showing the bad shots, it happens to the best of us soemtimes. Just dont try and tell me it was a great shot when the arrow clearly went thru his guts, hips, etc.

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This sums it up!!!!! There not hunting anymore, there filming a TV show/Video which is working, not hunting!!!!!!!

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YUP, more and more bad shots on TV. BUT,... there are also more and more people shooting on TV. In earlier years it was just the Knight and Hale, Bill Jordan etc doing the shooting. Now everyone has a camera and wants to be a TV star. Seems like every other show is a guy and a girl, one dragger and one cutie. And they say Sezzzz doesn't sell. LOL Today there are beginning bow hunters all over the TV or people with minimal experience because they know someone or have big bucks to hunt. Most are probably not real competant hunters in terms of 20 or 30 years ago. Now it's all over bait or manicured food plots on lightly hunted strictly controlled property. They spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on big buck country land planting foodjust for deerso they can have a TV show. It's show business at that point. It's not hunting as the majority of the hunting world knows it. Hunting on TV has definitely changed. Overbowed beginners on film is a definite recipe for some bad shots. I suspect a lot of them are not real big venison lovers. Probably more into Tofu and salads.[8D] And yes, the shooting skills have taken a turn for the worse but they don't really care.

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Respect the animal yes but leave the tongue out is what I say.