What the heck are folks thinking?
 

I would just love to know where a person gets the high-falootin' idea that a deer has the sense to figure out where bad breath is coming from? It is no different than any other smell that is strange to a deer. So why do you think this is the most important orifice to keep from stinking? A deer is a curious animal as has been proven over and over. The main thing is keeping the main thing the main thing. And that is, never allowing the deer you are hunting to associate your smells with danger. ie., Movement, carelessly flinging arrows, clinking noises form bows/stands. If deer already associate your smell as danger "just instinctively", then why will they come directly under your stinkin stand at night and take a dump or make a rub/scrape? I am not talking a week or even 2 days after you were last there. I am talkin the night after you had an evening hunt in the same stand. This kind of thinking has got me thinking that camo/concealment has to play a way more important role in getting close than does scent control.

OK, enough for Sunday morning. If you feel impelled to wring my neck, well, ok.[:-]

LT

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i aggree

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I agree with your opinion. I think though that the concept regarding scent is to be scented in the first place, not to change odor to an attractant. Could you imagine Estrous gum.[:'(]

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oops. I meant to say, the goal is not to be scented in the first place.

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In thick cover the ones that scent you from downwind, you'll never see. Being scent free along with good camo and quiet stand habits will just get them closer. Remember the whitetails nose is it's first line on defense. On the subject of odor, human odor including mouth odor is very offensive to them, we smell like predators. Other odors,smoke,gas etc,are foreign to them but may be associated with humans or not depending on their experience with these odors.

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Who trained a deer to pick out the smell of a humans mouth/body odor as being a predator? Has a "normal" human ever physically attacked a deer as a predator would? Do deer feel the breath odor of a squirrell, rabbit, hog, beaver, ect., is threatening to them. All animals have breath odors. How do deer decipher which ones are a legitimate threat to them?

LT

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Predators (carnivores) have a distinct odor. This has been instilled in the der through millenia. We as hunters are predators,probably the deers#1 predator and they are fast learners.

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If you have ever changed a babies diaper after a meat meal vs vegetable, the difference is unmistakeable. I would presume mouth odors would have similar distinction. Although the deer, if it smells you, doesn't know you are a human, it also doesn't know if you are a wolf, bear or other carnivore. Either way, it'll likely raise tail.

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Well I just try to be as scent free as possible... I've heard that brushing your teeth with baking soda eliminates bad breath,but I've always just used my regular Colgate Total tooth paste and never had any problem... of course, I'm 17 foot in the air also. [&:]

Has Hunters Specialties/Scent Killer made a scent free toothpaste? If they havent, maybe they should. [8D]

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LT, I somewhat disagree. All the smells associated together, breath included, hell there are people whose breath I could smell from downwind and I'd run too...;)

Anyway, are not bird dogs trained to smell the breath/exhale of birds? ? I heard that once, I do not know.

Anyhow, number one I feel is our hair....just smell the inside of any one of your worn baseball hats....Breath being next, all other odors can be all but eliminated as far as I'm concerned using the modern technics.

Breath, cannot totally be eliminated or barely masked can it?

With a deers nose being, what is the percentage?, better than ours and if we can smell another human....damn, poor deer....we stink. [&:]

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I think concealment has is about 90% of the battle. Because last year I wasn't able to set up my stand until the first day that I was able to hunt...anyways I sweat my ass off getting up there. Of course before I went out I sprayed down and showered with Scent-Away. But I mean I was sweating pretty bad. The deer seemed more cautious as they came through, but I still could have shot a couple of the does. I had some fawns actually grazing around right under my stand for about an hour.

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I would think brushing your teeth with baking soda would be a good idea to conceal any mouth odor then using the Gum-O-Flauge to help keep away any more bad odorsfrom coming back.Just think when you brush your teeth with mint flavored tooth paste how good and fresh your breathe smells afterwards.I can see using this type of scent eliminations when Bow Hunting because you have to let the deer get so close.

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I'm quite sure after some of the parties we've had at deer camp the night b4 the only real problem deer have walking by our stands is a contact buzz. Seriously I'm scent religious when it comes to hunting my uncle isn't we both see and get plenty of bucks in bow range Makes me wonder? We do both pay close attention to the wind though

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If they make it a idiot will buy it... The world is prob 90% idiots... I like to consider myself in the other 10%;)

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I think a deer is capable of discerning whether or not the source of a smell is still present or not. Otherwise deer that exist with high predator populations, (wolves, yotes, cats etc) would die of exhaustion running from place to place if they couldn't tell the difference of where and when a smell was detected.

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100% agreed. If they can smellmy breath that well, then they can smell my crack pretty far away.

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Thats a GOOD ONE, can anyone say they never passed gas in their stand, the other side of the woods was torn up from the animals stampeeding getting away from the danger. Ive made a post in the past about this, if you hunt in a urban type area, the deer are not going to spook from your odor, " unless you havent had a bath in two weeks, then I think you will run off more than the deer, includeing the skunks!", they are pretty much use to human scent, breath being part of it. Ive had deer right under my stand smelling my tobacco juice then go about their bussiness. People watch too much tv and get sucked into what the advertisers want to sell, I would guess our fathers, grandfathers, greatgrandfathers really had it tough without all the crap they are selling today!!! must have never been able to shoot a deer. Daily hygeene is the only thing you need to worry about, take a shower, brush your teeth, and dont use aftershave, " unless it smells like doe in estrus like someone else mentioned!!!. Thats my 2 cents worth!!!.

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Because you're not there and they're letting you know what they think!


BTW, I think that deer "associate" human smell of any kind with danger and it puts them on alert.

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Gospel!

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Chew parsley! It helps.

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Parsely is for wabbits, silly human!:eek:

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A deers eyes might fail them, but their nose never will. If their eye to mind perception was as good as their nose to mind perception we would never kill one.

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That's gospel!

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AMEN!

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It harbors the most bacteria that emits the odd odor that the deer are alert to.

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Older deer are older because they are aware of the unfamiliar. Its not the idea of bad breath =danger sign, its the idea that the odor is one that is not suppose to be in the area, so the deer stear clear. Nothing more, nothing less.

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LT, It's about business. To have a secure business you "Find a Need and Meet that Need". To start a new business where one did not exist before theres a different slogan: "Make a Need, Make a Product to Meet that Need, Tell PeopleThey Need What You Have".
I think we all get caught up in alot of Hype from time to time in our desire to outwit a Whitetail. We want to believe that we're doing everything possible to tip the scales in our favor so we Buy,Buy,Buy!
I also think when we start depending on something other than our skills in the hunting woods we becomewilling victims.
If a product has even the slightest chance of increasing our odds while hunting...someone will market it, someone will buy it, and someone will swear thier success was based on it.
Some of the products out there today have made people more successful but I have a question:
Why were so many very nice deer killed before any of these products, specificallydesigned to catch hunters dollars,became availible???
IMHO...Hunters were in the Right Place at the Right Time.
Amazingly enough they had no "Camoflage","Gum-O-Flage", or "ScentLoc Clothing".
Could it be true they figured out how to get it done without all these things? YES
Could these new products help people who dont have the time to put in scouting or figuring out deer patterns? YES
Which group spent more money..but had the same success????
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...and before any of you gather the torches...
I've bought and use Camo and Fresh Earth Scent because I believe it helps me blend in better than without. My Dad however never used these things because they were not availible...but he killed deer just the same.

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plan your entry right & your wind right then you can stink to hi heven i know cause i stink & still kill the big ones ( on public land ) c-ya

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I know this scent/commercial stuff can get carried away. But I'm kind of with Rob/PA on this one.
We all know people who almost kill you just by talking to you from 2 feet away. Your sitting
there trying to not let your eyes water up trying to be polite and not make a face.

If you are exhaling every five seconds you are putting a lot of "scent" out there. That sweat on
your body might be covered by a couple layers of clothes, but your breath is going right out there.

I also agree that as meat eaters our breath is different. Maybe they haven't learned
it is human, but there instinct may say to run.

They do make that gumoflauge stuff. Can't say I've tried any. All I use is baking soda toothpaste.
Maybe we should all be loading up on Beano. :D:D

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If I feel a certain product will give me an edge over hunting deer I will buy it and use it,there are some products out there that are usless in my opinion.....besides if someone doesn't buy C'mere Deer hows Hank gonna pay to do his show and go hunting? [:@]LMAO ;)