RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
 

Who is complaining??

I am simply debunking a myth.

RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
 

No, i completely understand. I have several awesome pieces of property that hold good deer. They deer have always been good but through my managing efforts it has gotten even better. Im not saying this can be done anywhere though. You gotta have the right ingredients to make big buck stew ;)I happen to have a few of them given to me and ive worked my ass of for the other ones. Now it is all starting to pay off.

RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
 

Why is it that when someone points out the truth it gets passed off as "whining"???

More insecurity??..........is it really that bad to admit the truth??

Outfitters prove year in and year out that location is the one and only factor needed to have good success rates on mature bucks........and so much so that they can pull strangers from all over the country, plop them in stands and STILL do well.

Before anyone says "It's all the hard work the outfitter does BEFORE he drops the hunter off that makes them so successful"

If that is true then why are all in the outfitters in PRIME deer county?? How come I can find more no fence outfitters in Pike county then I can find in California, Florida, Carolina, NY, and NJ combined??

RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
 

Complaining, crying, whining, beeatching, and now debunking a myth? Sounds all the same to me!

RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
 

I would like to offer a little different take on this line of thought. Ifa deer winds them, smells them on the trails and sees the stands and nothing bad happens to that deer why would he think humans=bad? I live on the edge of about 40+ acres of woods with even more connected in some way. We have deer all around us. We also have trails through the woods that I walk with my dogs. Sometimes me and one of the dogs goes off trail looking around. When deer see us in the woods they may run about 20-30 yards and stop then we all go on our way. When they see us around the house the don't even run, we just stand and look at each other. They will do this when I have the one dog that would love dearly to take a bite. They are used to us, used to humans because they have smelled where we walk, winded us and even had encounters with us and nothing bad happened to them.

Perhaps deer that don't wind people or smell them or see them would be much more skittish because that is something new and all prey animals treat something new as potentially dangerous.

Now I understand that we are talking about woods that do not have tons of hunters wading through looking for deer, we are talking about woods that get the same people, same action most of the time. Woods with tons of hunters busting through would be a different story.

RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
 

Good points and sounds reasonable to me except I would not use the term easier. I think you will be challanged by many who will argue thatitwill never easy.I can see that this is going to be a good one (a 10 pager no doubt) but it's time to go home so I'll check it out in the morning, hope it's still here.

RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
 

Do they??............that scent they smelled and the sights they saw posed no threat to them whatsoever. (Besides, I thought they couldn't smell the Drury boys due to all that carbon ;)) "Forget the wind".............just kidding man.........but seriously if those sights, sounds and smells never=danger before why would they fear them next time?? When a deer smells a human and then gets 5 slugs whizzing past his head I would think the effect is more lasting ;)



Not really.............being let walk is not my definition of pressure. In a pressured situation that deer is either scared, wounded, or dead. Totally different world and one that if he lives through will change the way he does things for sure. If he strolls through an area for years without his life being in danger what would he have to fear?? If he gets shot at just once along that same time frame he would be a totally different deer having gone through that.

RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
 

Atlas we all know it's all about location

Fact YOU bring it up time after time. That is called whining;)

Every post turns into

"I don't shoot big deer because of where I live" Greatwe know.
"Germ shoots big deer because of where he lives" Yes this is true
"Hunsucker shoots big deer because he is Hunsucker";)

Ok from now on ALL of HNI Atlas shoots the deer he wants, because it is not worth the time for him to try and shoot big deer. He enjoys hunting the way he does. There is only onemature deer within1 sq mile of where he hunts(Hammondsport, NY). Being he is unselfish he chooes not to use his leathel hunting skills(banned in 43 states, he is that good)to kill this lone mature deer.

Everyone Understand? So please no more threads about deer location.;)

RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
 

Only 1,000 times a week.............isn't it funny how the guys who live in the prime areas are always the ones saying it doesn't matter?? I wonder how many Florida hunters think location is meaningless.

RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
 

It's not just "a" factor it's the primary factor. I have bowhunted many years here in Alabama and I have an opportunity at a true wall hanger maybe once every 5 years. And that's on land I know like the back of my hand and have hunted all my life. I have made three trips up to Illinois to hunt with friends on private farm land up there. No guide, and only a few days to scout on land that is totally strange to me. Yet, I have seen more large racked bucks in three trips up there thanI have in the last 25 years of hunting down here. I killed a huge 8 point (my best bow buck ever) first year up that went to the taxidermist. I tagged a nice buck 2nd year and killed another one for the wall my 3rd year up. On two of the trips I had close encounters with bucks that were easily 170 or better. I saw 15 shooter bucks (and lord knows how many smaller ones) in one two day span from the same tree. And all that was with less than a week to hunt each trip. If I lived up there and had the time to scout just a little more and could be more patient about filling my tag it's scarey to think what I could drag out of those woods. Now, am I mystically transforming into a great hunter in route to Illinois and then back to an average one while in Alabama or could "Location" be making a huge difference?