does anyone use the 2 prong style rests???
#11
Another thing with the drop away; since the arrow is only in contact w/ the rest only about 7 inches of the arrow, there is a percentage of human error eliminated. Not completely mind you.....but partially.
I've seen folks who could never paper tune a bow install a drop away and shoot bullet holes very quickly.
Helical fletching was mentioned and is another advantage. The BIGGEST reason I don't like the 2 prong rests is the constant filing down of them by the arrow. Before long, the arrow drops between the prongs and you gotta start all over again.
Greg's idea sounds pretty solid though......Never thought of that.
I've seen folks who could never paper tune a bow install a drop away and shoot bullet holes very quickly.
Helical fletching was mentioned and is another advantage. The BIGGEST reason I don't like the 2 prong rests is the constant filing down of them by the arrow. Before long, the arrow drops between the prongs and you gotta start all over again.
Greg's idea sounds pretty solid though......Never thought of that.
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Giant Nontypical
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I've got a GKF Golden Premier on my Bear TRX. That poor rest has been on 6 different bows since I've had it. Still works great but it IS old and getting kinda worn out. I'd conservatively estimate it's had about 300,000 arrows shot through it over the past 10 years. No telling how many arrows it launched before that because I got it second hand. The rest has never failed. It's hard to turn your back on that kind of reliability.
And I do manage to use a sufficient amount of helical on my fletching, even with carbons. Too many people get way too carried away with helical, then complain about clearance and noise and slow arrows... They've got the equivalent of parachutes back there, so what do they expect?!? [8D]
I am anticipating a chance to give a WB an honest trial and evaluation for an entire season though.
And I do manage to use a sufficient amount of helical on my fletching, even with carbons. Too many people get way too carried away with helical, then complain about clearance and noise and slow arrows... They've got the equivalent of parachutes back there, so what do they expect?!? [8D]
I am anticipating a chance to give a WB an honest trial and evaluation for an entire season though.
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From: Blissfield MI USA
Rests do not make a bow anymore or less accurate, don't buy into the hype. A good archer could shoot well with a flipper rest. A properly set up rest regardless of type will shoot just as accurately as another one. Some are easier to set up and work better with different arrows though. I believe most pro's use some sort of a launcher with a blade, since this about the most forgiving set up. Like a GKF prong rest with a soft spring steel blade instead of prongs.
Always keep in mind that some of the best scores ever shot for target archery were set with old technology. Older style rest, older bows and aluminum arrows. None of these "advances" in technology have made anyone shoot vastly better, even the pros that set the previous records
. And some of these records were set with severely out of tune bows.
A drop away helps with fletch contact issues on skinny arrows using vanes with offset or helical. That is it's only real advantage in my opinion. Notice I said helps, not eliminates because drop a ways still have set up and timing issues. If you don't get it right you will have worse problems than if you used TM prong style rest. I properly set up prong rest will drop out of the way as well, just not as far is all.
I also don't buy into the hype about having less contact time with arrow being a positive to drop a way rests. The way I see the shot is messed up before the arrow leaves, not during. Unless you have a contact issue somewhere. Everything happens much too fast for you to effect the arrow during the shot. Anything that went wrong happened or started before the string was released which would mean your rest would not have much of an effect either way. The one rest I would see having an issue with this would be a full contact rest like the WB, but that would be minor. The effect would merely be different vrs better or worse.
I have used pretty much every style of rest (not every rest obviously) and none of them instantly made me a better shot. Some were easier to work with though while tuning.
I actually use a Bodoodle which uses two blades iinstead of prongs. I love it, but when I tried to use blazers I couldn't get the clearance I wanted. I switched to my Drop Zone for those. When I get new arrows or re fletch with feathers the bodoodle will be going back on.
My girlfriend has my old Platinum Premier prong rest on her rintec target bow. Great rest with lots of adjustment options. I like the Quick tune 3000 as well, but the GKF is a better built rest. Also cost more as well
.
Keep in mind the WB and many of the drop a ways are to some extent overdraw rests. They do not contact the arrow in the most forgiving place like a normal prong rest would. This in itself makes them slightly less forgiving.
I'm not a big fan of the WB really. It works, I have set a few up. I just don't care for the design. Some of the newer ones are a bit better. Would be a good rest if you spot and stalk hunted on the ground. Other than that I don't like them. My girlfriend uses a prong rest with skinny aluminum arrows and she has no problem drawing the bow without dropping the arrow off the rest. And she doesn't shoot that much really. If someone gets this type of a rest for that reason I suggest they look at their set up and/or their form. They are either over bowed (too much draw length, too much draw weight or both) or the nocking point is not correct. If you are over bowed it makes it very difficult to have proper form and draw the bow smoothly.
As far as drop a ways go I am kind of partial to the muzzy if you can get it to work on your bow. The drop zone is ok too. Both of these are overdraw type rests though.
My opinions and nothing more really.
Paul
Always keep in mind that some of the best scores ever shot for target archery were set with old technology. Older style rest, older bows and aluminum arrows. None of these "advances" in technology have made anyone shoot vastly better, even the pros that set the previous records
. And some of these records were set with severely out of tune bows. A drop away helps with fletch contact issues on skinny arrows using vanes with offset or helical. That is it's only real advantage in my opinion. Notice I said helps, not eliminates because drop a ways still have set up and timing issues. If you don't get it right you will have worse problems than if you used TM prong style rest. I properly set up prong rest will drop out of the way as well, just not as far is all.
I also don't buy into the hype about having less contact time with arrow being a positive to drop a way rests. The way I see the shot is messed up before the arrow leaves, not during. Unless you have a contact issue somewhere. Everything happens much too fast for you to effect the arrow during the shot. Anything that went wrong happened or started before the string was released which would mean your rest would not have much of an effect either way. The one rest I would see having an issue with this would be a full contact rest like the WB, but that would be minor. The effect would merely be different vrs better or worse.
I have used pretty much every style of rest (not every rest obviously) and none of them instantly made me a better shot. Some were easier to work with though while tuning.
I actually use a Bodoodle which uses two blades iinstead of prongs. I love it, but when I tried to use blazers I couldn't get the clearance I wanted. I switched to my Drop Zone for those. When I get new arrows or re fletch with feathers the bodoodle will be going back on.
My girlfriend has my old Platinum Premier prong rest on her rintec target bow. Great rest with lots of adjustment options. I like the Quick tune 3000 as well, but the GKF is a better built rest. Also cost more as well
.Keep in mind the WB and many of the drop a ways are to some extent overdraw rests. They do not contact the arrow in the most forgiving place like a normal prong rest would. This in itself makes them slightly less forgiving.
I'm not a big fan of the WB really. It works, I have set a few up. I just don't care for the design. Some of the newer ones are a bit better. Would be a good rest if you spot and stalk hunted on the ground. Other than that I don't like them. My girlfriend uses a prong rest with skinny aluminum arrows and she has no problem drawing the bow without dropping the arrow off the rest. And she doesn't shoot that much really. If someone gets this type of a rest for that reason I suggest they look at their set up and/or their form. They are either over bowed (too much draw length, too much draw weight or both) or the nocking point is not correct. If you are over bowed it makes it very difficult to have proper form and draw the bow smoothly.
As far as drop a ways go I am kind of partial to the muzzy if you can get it to work on your bow. The drop zone is ok too. Both of these are overdraw type rests though.
My opinions and nothing more really.
Paul
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Nontypical Buck
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From: ELK GROVE CA USA
thanks paul...just the type of answer i was looking for.....living in CA 80% of my hunting is spot and staulk or still hunting....i just keep the bow up at all times to keep my arrow on the prongs...it has not been an issue yet, but if so i may switch.......
Josh
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