jumping the string
02-07-2003, 08:50 AM
#31
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: jumping the string
Jumping the string....OVERRATED!!! Do I believe a deer can react enough to make a difference of where the arrow hits if an arrow is flying at 300fps and the deer is within 20 yards? I guess. How much? Not much. My point would be that there is not a human alive that can say that the reason they missed or wounded a deer is because the deer "jumped the string"...UNLESS they had super slow-mo video of it as it occured and only AFTER they viewed it could they offer it as a conclusion. I hear the ole "jumping the string" excuse waaaayyyy too much. It's like every time a guy misses or wounds a deer he follows it up with, "well, he jumped the string"...how do you know that? I agree with BOWFANATIC that most wounds and misses are hunter error and NOT the "jumping the string" phenonmenon. I wounded a nice buck this year and I'll admit it was a bad shot and the flippin' buck didn't jump the string.
02-07-2003, 09:22 AM
#32
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MI USA
Posts: 280
RE: jumping the string
i have never had it happen to me, but have seen it on videos. I have to agree with wolfen and bowfanic. It happens, but I dont think it happens as much as people claim it does.
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If I may say... WAY TO GO to everyone on this board. I am relatively new to the board and I was getting nervous for a while. Every debate, and thread was getting ugly. Good to see its going the other way.
02-07-2003, 10:10 AM
#34
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Detroit
Posts: 858
RE: jumping the string
Krisken are you hunting in the petting farm again?<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
For me the bottom line is this...I certainly believe that a deer can react faster than my arrow speed (and that's quite near 300fps), even at 15 yards. But if they DON'T KNOW YOUR THERE...they won't. Deer are used to hearing things in the woods...IE winds blowing branches to the ground, falling snow from a Pine tree on a sunny day. etc.The sound of my, properly dampened and silenced, bow will not raise an eyebrow unless they are already on alert.
Last year ( I'm not proud of this<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>) I had three does feeding within 15 yards. I had my 5 arrow quiver laying btw 2 branches just above my head and to the right.I aimed, drew and knocked the quiver to the ground and 2 spooked and ran 5-10 yards and the other just crouched and never moved. Had I taken the shot, the deer would have "Jumped the sting"...Guaranteed, but I didn't. I waited 20 minutes more and they came back to feed totally at ease. I'm certain they were laughing at themselves inside thinking.." only a dead branch falling." Although I only had one arrow to make it count!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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For me the bottom line is this...I certainly believe that a deer can react faster than my arrow speed (and that's quite near 300fps), even at 15 yards. But if they DON'T KNOW YOUR THERE...they won't. Deer are used to hearing things in the woods...IE winds blowing branches to the ground, falling snow from a Pine tree on a sunny day. etc.The sound of my, properly dampened and silenced, bow will not raise an eyebrow unless they are already on alert.
Last year ( I'm not proud of this<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>) I had three does feeding within 15 yards. I had my 5 arrow quiver laying btw 2 branches just above my head and to the right.I aimed, drew and knocked the quiver to the ground and 2 spooked and ran 5-10 yards and the other just crouched and never moved. Had I taken the shot, the deer would have "Jumped the sting"...Guaranteed, but I didn't. I waited 20 minutes more and they came back to feed totally at ease. I'm certain they were laughing at themselves inside thinking.." only a dead branch falling." Although I only had one arrow to make it count!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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02-07-2003, 10:26 AM
#35
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Fredericksburg Virginia USA
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RE: jumping the string
Wolfen I agree that a lot of missed/bad shots are blamed on jumping the string when it is a bad shot. The doe I spined though did jump it, I was shooting a Bear Black Bear that is over 20 years old, I do not know how many FPS it shoots, but my new Browning Ambush is so much faster than my old bow that I had to get a real target for arrows and forget shooting haybale backstops. I would love to know how SLOW my old bow is, but I can not find anyone or any place with data on a bow that old.
The Tazman aka Martin Price
Proud father of a Devil Dog
The Tazman aka Martin Price
Proud father of a Devil Dog
02-07-2003, 11:08 AM
#36
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hereford Texas USA
Posts: 40
RE: jumping the string
I am sure you are correct in stating that "jumping the string" is an overused excuse. What the percentage is, who knows.
But "jumping the string" can and does happen, though I would say in most instances it is the hunter's fault such as shooting at an alert and tense deer. And the fact that the deer is alert is probably because the hunter drew at the wrong time, or has a noisy arrow rest, etc. and didn't wait for the animal to settle back down before releasing.
But "jumping the string" can and does happen, though I would say in most instances it is the hunter's fault such as shooting at an alert and tense deer. And the fact that the deer is alert is probably because the hunter drew at the wrong time, or has a noisy arrow rest, etc. and didn't wait for the animal to settle back down before releasing.
02-07-2003, 01:18 PM
#38
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: East Yapank NY USA
Posts: 3,457
RE: jumping the string
I have shot a lot of bucks, many of them looking in my direction after I mouth grunted them to stop. I have never witnessed or hit high because of a deer jumping the string to my knowledge.
I have seen it on video, and know they can, but it does not come into consideration when I hunt.
I have seen it on video, and know they can, but it does not come into consideration when I hunt.
02-07-2003, 01:42 PM
#39
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RE: jumping the string
A Deer is 20 yards/60 ft from the hunter. His arrow upon release will be traveling lets say 220 ft per second. Not super fast for a bow these days but somewhere in the middle range. Like it was said earlier sound travels at 1100 fps.
Upon release of the string the sound gets to the Deer in .0545+ sec. The arrow gets there in .25 sec. That gives the Deer .195 sec to drop down as they do allowing the arrow pass over it’s back then bolt or jump away. That is a fith of a second. It still happens but Im sure not as offen as it did when the average arrow speed was slower.
Now I don’t think the Deer knows to drop down to avoid the arrow. It is just a natural part of the reaction and physical process of the bolting away from danger.
How long does it take a line drive hard ball to travel from the end of the bat to the pitchers mount and have a pitcher get his glove up and catch it? I think Deer are faster that even a pro ball player. JMO
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Upon release of the string the sound gets to the Deer in .0545+ sec. The arrow gets there in .25 sec. That gives the Deer .195 sec to drop down as they do allowing the arrow pass over it’s back then bolt or jump away. That is a fith of a second. It still happens but Im sure not as offen as it did when the average arrow speed was slower.
Now I don’t think the Deer knows to drop down to avoid the arrow. It is just a natural part of the reaction and physical process of the bolting away from danger.
How long does it take a line drive hard ball to travel from the end of the bat to the pitchers mount and have a pitcher get his glove up and catch it? I think Deer are faster that even a pro ball player. JMO
Work hard and be true to yourself.
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02-07-2003, 01:43 PM
#40
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Crosby TX USA
Posts: 2,599
RE: jumping the string
One thing that needs to be considered that has yet to be mentioned is the geographic location of the animal. This is a national website and the opinions are coming from all over the country.
IT IS MY OPINION that the deer from the southern regions of the country are more proned to react from noise by dropping their bodies in preparation for flight (jumping the string) than the deer from northern regions. I have no proof, but on most video's and tv shows I've watched- the deer doing any ducking are mostly from the south.
My thinking is body weight would have alot to do with agility.
MOST of the smaller/ wirier (110#=big) east Texas deer I've shot at have reacted to the shot. Some ducking the arrow some not.
IT IS MY OPINION that the deer from the southern regions of the country are more proned to react from noise by dropping their bodies in preparation for flight (jumping the string) than the deer from northern regions. I have no proof, but on most video's and tv shows I've watched- the deer doing any ducking are mostly from the south.
My thinking is body weight would have alot to do with agility.
MOST of the smaller/ wirier (110#=big) east Texas deer I've shot at have reacted to the shot. Some ducking the arrow some not.