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brucelanthier 08-02-2007 08:02 AM

RE: One deer states.....2 deer states.....ramblings...
 
How about a person that spends, say, about 6 months a year in the woods, different woods, not always the same patch and not hunting. He watches wildlife, watches their behaviors, learns what they do, what time of day, what time of year they do it, why they do what they do. He does this for years, still not hunting, and then one day he decides to start hunting. Would this person be an experienced or inexperienced woodsman/hunter? I believe huntign experience is gained by hunting, not necessarily killing. Certainly, to be a complete hunter you need experience killing but IMO the killing experience is a very small part of the total hunting experience package.

GMMAT 08-02-2007 08:06 AM

RE: One deer states.....2 deer states.....ramblings...
 
WOW....


So.....according to you, you are gaining more experience by hunting your patch of woods and killing twice as many deer as me. :eek: Doubtful.
You're making this "me" vs. "you". Not me. I started ou tin generalities....and you read in what you wanted to. I never said what you're implying. Never.


I did not become any better hunter because I shot more deer.
Nobodys discussing becoming a "Better hunter". We're talking about gaining experience.


About 5 years ago I did not shoot a buck. I learned more that season than any past 3.
How did you become a "better hunter" (which, BTW,is not what we're talking about)?


My buddy will hunt Hard in the UP of MI and see less than 20 deer a year. He still manages to find a deer and kill it. Maybe he does do it first two weeks of the season, because he is that good;)
So his time on stand....and his observing...help him to gain experience. I agree.


My other buddy hunts Jackson MI and if he see 20 deer a night it is bad night;) He has shot 20 deer last 2 years, and he is no better hunter than he was 2 years ago.
Back to the "better hunter", again....and off topic. We're talking "experience".


But lets say everyone started there first day in the woods with the same amount of knowlege. I would assume that the hunter who spent the most time in the woods would gain the most exp.
Ihave no qualms with this assessment.


To me, a successful hunter is someone who understands his quarry and his quarry's environment, formulates a plan to put himself/herself in a position to take the quarry, and then has the composure and skill to follow through.
Nor this one......


The multiple tag folks mayget to makemore actual shots at animals, and probably rack up more kills, but to me, it doesn't make them better hunters.
Back to that agin....and I never said it did. I said they're gaining experience.....notthat they're"better hunters".















_Dan 08-02-2007 08:16 AM

RE: One deer states.....2 deer states.....ramblings...
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

WOW....


So.....according to you, you are gaining more experience by hunting your patch of woods and killing twice as many deer as me. :eek: Doubtful.
You're making this "me" vs. "you". Not me. I started ou tin generalities....and you read in what you wanted to. I never said what you're implying. Never.


Sorry if you took it that way Jeff, but I'm not. You gave a poor comparison by comparing hunting and football. I asked you to clarify what you were talking about and you didn't.

So....I gave you a realworld scenario with two hunters and comparing them.

It's not me vs you, its me compared to you. I guess I could have clarified that earlier, but then we wouldn't be having this much fun. :D



GMMAT 08-02-2007 08:17 AM

RE: One deer states.....2 deer states.....ramblings...
 
Here's another scenario......

Hunter "A" sees 10 deer from stand all year. He observes intently....and passes on 8 of them.

Hunter "B" sees the same 10 deer.....but chooses to take all 10 of them.

Who has gained more hunting "experience" when the season ends?

For this scenario.....let's assume that the deer density is equal....not in jeopardy.....and they hunt the same woods.

Fair?

GMMAT 08-02-2007 08:18 AM

RE: One deer states.....2 deer states.....ramblings...
 
Dan....mucho respect....and this is "fun".

;)

brucelanthier 08-02-2007 08:20 AM

RE: One deer states.....2 deer states.....ramblings...
 
LOL well, if hunter B called his brother to come and track the deer for him and hunter A tracked his own deer then I would say hunter A gained more experience :D;)

_Dan 08-02-2007 08:22 AM

RE: One deer states.....2 deer states.....ramblings...
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Here's another scenario......

Hunter "A" sees 10 deer from stand all year. He observes intently....and passes on 8 of them.

Hunter "B" sees the same 10 deer.....but chooses to take all 10 of them.

Who has gained more hunting "experience" when the season ends?

Fair?

Neither, both have gained the same.


LittleChief 08-02-2007 08:23 AM

RE: One deer states.....2 deer states.....ramblings...
 

Hunter "A" sees 10 deer from stand all year. He observes intently....and passes on 8 of them.

Hunter "B" sees the same 10 deer.....but chooses to take all 10 of them.

Who has gained more hunting "experience" when the season ends?
Hunting experience..... neither.
Shooting at live animals/tracking..... Hunter B.
Patience/learning to beselective..... Hunter A.

Germ 08-02-2007 08:24 AM

RE: One deer states.....2 deer states.....ramblings...
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Here's another scenario......

Hunter "A" sees 10 deer from stand all year. He observes intently....and passes on 8 of them.

Hunter "B" sees the same 10 deer.....but chooses to take all 10 of them.

Who has gained more hunting "experience" when the season ends?

Fair?
Both the same, but hunter B is a way better gutter:D If I was hunterB I would call Atlas he has the "Butt Out":D



brucelanthier 08-02-2007 08:24 AM

RE: One deer states.....2 deer states.....ramblings...
 

ORIGINAL: _Dan


ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Here's another scenario......

Hunter "A" sees 10 deer from stand all year. He observes intently....and passes on 8 of them.

Hunter "B" sees the same 10 deer.....but chooses to take all 10 of them.

Who has gained more hunting "experience" when the season ends?

Fair?

Neither, both have gained the same.

I tend to agree but don't you think there is some extra tracking experience gained by tracking 8 more animals?


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