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GMMAT 07-25-2007 12:52 PM

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Every Contest favors a certain group. There is not fair contest we could run for bucks.
If I were to pick two teams one for points, and one for inches. I would have 2 differnet teams here on HNI.;)
Just wondering how counting main frame points could favor one hunter over another? Just for conversation's sakes.

brucelanthier 07-25-2007 12:53 PM

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Hah! That was fast LOL. I thought I would check the articles at the website, braintan.com and the first one I read had this, The history of Brain Tan

The New World provided a seemingly endless supply of deer. The trade in buckskins, tanned and raw, boomed. Common laborers valued its durability. By the 1750's it was the style among the wealthy of Europe to wear yellow buckskin breeches and gauntlets. It was hunting and riding wear, fashionable in the most elite circles. Customs records indicate that between 1755 and 1773; 2,601,152 lbs. of deerskins were shipped to England from Savannah, Georgia, just one of many ports. Many of these skins had already been brain and smoke tanned by the Creek and Cherokee.
Now there is much, much more to the article and this is just a snippet but Matt Richards explains it, the buckskin "market"very well.

manuman 07-25-2007 01:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: brucelanthier


ORIGINAL: Germ

Arthur what about the whitetails? Was thatmarket hunting also? So then would the hertiage era of hunting start after Teddy?

Not to get in on the current debate but I just read something that speaks to this. I am currently trying to learn how to tan hides and I was reading a book (lots actually and I am not home so I may be misquoting), Deerskins to Buckskins,but back when the whitetail deer was being devastated there was a huge market for buckskins. The market was really big in Europe among royalty and other wealthy folks and also here in the states. I will see if I can find where I read this (may take a couple of days, expecting new chicks any day now so I'll be busy) but to answer your question, yes, the whitetail deer devastation was market driven in to some degree, a large degree from what I remember, but I am not 100% sure.
I was going to bring this up. It certainly is true. Geogia's ports in Savannah were a big outlet for this. Buckskins were so coveted in Europe that they became a form of exchange for what people needed in lieu of cash. That is where the term 'bucks' came from when referring to money. Night hunting withlights, and nolimits nearly did the deer herd in, and the laws began to be implemented once the numbers began to be in drastic decline.

Germ 07-25-2007 01:06 PM

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Ok guys


If we are talking "Hertiage" hunting after Teddy Roosvelt days than Trophy Hunting is a part of hunting "Hertiage";)
Do we all agree after the Teddy Roosvelt era is what we consider the "Hertiage" age of hunting? If so than Trophy hunting is a part of our hunting hertiage. So using the "Hertiage" word to make ones kill seem more noble is foolish to me.

I agree about Trophy Deer management 100% and it has gone to far. But I think pointing finger at "Trophy" hunters and saying they go against the "Hertiage" of hunting is 100% wrong.

manuman 07-25-2007 01:11 PM

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By the way when non hunter looks at the "hertiage" of hunting that is what they look at what we did in the past. While I know and you know the facts must do not.

So the point is we throw the term "hertiage" around to make hunting a "noble" cause and Vilify others is just crazy IMO.
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That is because you have avery limited perspective and definition of what the actual heritage is. I'm not even sure your definition of the word heritage is thorough, based on what you have written. I am not saying that with any sarcasm or being denigrating,just being honest. I don't know what you mean by 'villifying' others and attempting to make the hunting heritage a 'noble cause'. I have made it clear that I am not villifying anyone, just calling for good judgement on both sides without resorting to insults and name calling. If that is 'crazy', then call me crazy.You are confusing what some market hunters did in the past, prior to hunting regulationswith its becoming a 'recreational' sport in the modern era.

GMMAT 07-25-2007 01:15 PM

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Germ.....just discussing.....

I wouldn't have a problem with you using Roosevelt's "era". It holds no more weight with me than any other, though....and I wouldn't make Teddy the poster child for my hunting heritage.

Hell let's talk about the other Ted if we wanna talk hunting heritage. He learned from the best. You gotta admit....he's pretty "middle of the road" about "trophy" hunting.

Germ 07-25-2007 01:18 PM

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That is because you have avery limited perspective and definition of what the actual heritage is. I'm not even sure your definition of the word heritage is thorough, based on what you have written. I am not saying that with any sarcasm or being denigrating,just being honest.
Not what I am asking;)or said.

To a person who does not hunt what does the "Hertiage" of hunting mean. When you tell a person who does not hunt I respect the "Hertiage of hunting".
Does the said person undestand what you are talking about? I am not confusing the two, just you:D

So lets ask this.

When someone says trophy hunting is ruining the hertiage of hunting. Is that not wrong? Being trophy hunting is a part of the hertiage of hunting?

brucelanthier 07-25-2007 01:20 PM

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Unless you guys start spelling it (Heritage)correctly I won't know what you are talking about :D:D:D

manuman 07-25-2007 01:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: Germ

Ok guys


If we are talking "Hertiage" hunting after Teddy Roosvelt days than Trophy Hunting is a part of hunting "Hertiage";)
Do we all agree after the Teddy Roosvelt era is what we consider the "Hertiage" age of hunting? If so than Trophy hunting is a part of our hunting hertiage. So using the "Hertiage" word to make ones kill seem more noble is foolish to me.

I agree about Trophy Deer management 100% and it has gone to far. But I think pointing finger at "Trophy" hunters and saying they go against the "Hertiage" of hunting is 100% wrong.
I did not and do not point a finger at 'trophy hunters or trophy hunting' , just taking it too far. I have repeatedly stated that it in and of itself is not problematic, but rather that the some that do go too far are not thinking long term nor do they seem to care about the long term, All that seems to matter is bigger and better, regardless of how it is achieved and the effects that it has on the big picture. These are the ones who have lost sight of huntings heritage and are, in effect, redefining it. Comprende?

Germ 07-25-2007 01:25 PM

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man I agree 100%

I am not talking about you or anyone on this bored. We are having a civil discuession:) and learing how to spell Heritage


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