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PA and P&Y whitetails.....
I have noticed a trend of more and morenice PAbucks entered into P&Y. Here in the latest edition of the Pope & Young Club Newsletter (Spring 2007) Pa is showing some pretty good numbers, with 9 bucks entered in this edition. (Spring Edition is a rather low Edition for recordings, Summer is a very high Edition for recordings though)
You may askwhat was this newsletters largest PA buck? How about a 185 6/8's net Non-Typical from Allegheny County? Sounds good to me :D |
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I wonder if any of those 9 guys now like Dr. Alt:D
PA was the worst odds for scoring a P & Y buck 1 in 8000 in 1998 MI was a close second at 1 in 5000. Since 98 PA has taken some great steps in have a Quality deer herd. MI has gone they other way[:'(] |
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Our friends to the NW (Michigan) entered 13 in this Edition.
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ORIGINAL: buckeyebuckhntr Our friends to the NW (Michigan) entered 13 in this Edition. How many did OH put in? |
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ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: buckeyebuckhntr Our friends to the NW (Michigan) entered 13 in this Edition. How many did OH put in? |
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Well I did not put mine in so it could have been 14[:-] How many did OH put in? And MO, just curious.:D PA 9 KY 13 MI 13 MO 11 |
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We're coming on strong, I saw several last season that would have made the book, one in particular might have made B&C....
I'm looking to tag one and show him to you'all this year! ;) :D |
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ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer We're coming on strong, I saw several last season that would have made the book, one in particular might have made B&C.... I'm looking to tag one and show him to you'all this year! ;) :D Mobow no worries, you need a differnet power;) |
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Where was TN. Last? lol:D. All kidding aside, Tennessee CAN produce some big bucks, especially Middle Tennessee. I'm interested to see how many they put in
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Where was TN. Last? lol:D. All kidding aside, Tennessee CAN produce some big bucks, especially Middle Tennessee. I'm interested to see how many they put in |
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I love to see PA continuing to improve the quality of their hunting. The potential there is so tremendous that the ONLY thing holding the state back is it's sportsman. There can be no denying that it is one of the most beautiful states when it comes to exceptional habitat and awesome looking whitetail ground! I hope the state continues on course with it's production of trophy class bucks. I'm also excited by the number of folks on numerous forums who seemed so against any sort of antler restrictions and now to see many proudly endorsing QDM and showing restraint on ALL immature bucks. Best of luck to all the PA guys out there and kudos for your sacrifice and dedication.
Maybe someday all the IL bowhunters will be wanting to book hunts in YOUR state ?!? ;):D |
RE: PA and P&Y whitetails.....
ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer We're coming on strong, I saw several last season that would have made the book, one in particular might have made B&C.... I'm looking to tag one and show him to you'all this year! ;) :D Mobow no worries, you need a differnet power;) |
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ORIGINAL: buckeyebuckhntr Where was TN. Last? lol:D. All kidding aside, Tennessee CAN produce some big bucks, especially Middle Tennessee. I'm interested to see how many they put in |
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The entries in the book will not tell the whole story. There are plenty like Germ who choose not to enter their bucks. So no real way of knowing how many really could qualify for the book from any state. But it does kinda give an idea of trends I guess.
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The entries in the book will not tell the whole story. There are plenty like Germ who choose not to enter their bucks. So no real way of knowing how many really could qualify for the book from any state. But it does kinda give an idea of trends I guess. |
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ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: buckeyebuckhntr Where was TN. Last? lol:D. All kidding aside, Tennessee CAN produce some big bucks, especially Middle Tennessee. I'm interested to see how many they put in I bet TN is the leading state for 4pt or less kills :D[8D] |
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NC even made it in the books with a 141 inch buck......
I knew gmat had some good bucks running around down there  |
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I hope that IL had a record low year for it's P&Y production? Something to attrcat a little less attention to it and perhaps more to IOWA and/or KANSAS.... that's where all the monsters are at!
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Don't kid yourself Cornfed...If no one shot a single P&Y in Illinois last year, it would make no difference.:D
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I hope that IL had a record low year for it's P&Y production? Something to attrcat a little less attention to it and perhaps more to IOWA and/or KANSAS.... that's where all the monsters are at! IA 23 KS 17 No such luck :D |
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Thanks for the stats,.... as depressing as they are! :([&o];)
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Motown was right Kansas stinks;)
Ill 30, and I still have not seen a deer in that state[&:] THe numbers show a trend and are good to know. Thx for sharing buckeye |
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just curious as to where Indiana stands :eek:
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yea just his archeryu season a guy that my pop is freinds with shot the 2nd largest deer in PA 10 miles from where i hunt his name is andrew drumheller
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Beautiful deer....he's a shooter in any state.
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The potential there is so tremendous that the ONLY thing holding the state back is it's sportsman. PA will never be the state most of us want simply because of the numbers involved and land breakdown. I hunt private land myself here in York Co. and I can't tell you the last bowhunt I had where I didn't encounter another bowhunter , pheasant hunter, dirt bike rider, dog walker, screaming kid, or any number of distractions. For many of us it's too many people trying to have their own slice of the pie and it happens very seldom. I can tell you on one small sensitive property I hunt, I watched 3 bucks last season that would EASILY, and I mean EASILY make book about every other night working a bean field. Watching the wind, glassing from a distance etc etc. and then one day they all just vanished, even the small bucks that I could count on night after night...........surprise surprise, 2 other hunters that I ran into a couple days before the season told me they walked the entire property a couple times the week before the opener, and hung stands all over (in all the wrong spots) and changed the patterns of those deer completely before I even got a single crack at them.:( Thats the other issue you run into here......if a landowner is kind enough to allow you to hunt chances are they are the "hate deer" type and they allow ANYONE who asks permission on to help take the deer and it becomes counterproductive. Unless it's a family farm or you are paying for an exclusive lease 9 times out of 10 there are multiple guys who consider that private farm "Their spot". It's hard to get your hopes up around here.........sure it happens now and then but man do the moon and stars and planets need to line up big time where I live. Look up how many resident bowhunters IL, KS, IA, and PA have........ |
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Great post Matt, you hit the nail on the head..
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ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer We're coming on strong, I saw several last season that would have made the book, one in particular might have made B&C.... I'm looking to tag one and show him to you'all this year! ;) :D Mobow no worries, you need a differnet power;) Hey, I was just checking out pope and young website.......Did I miss it, or do they not break each state down on the site? Guess I'm gonna have to buy the book for that? |
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You can hunt around me mobow...I see them, they just don't come close enough and when they do, well[:o][:o][:o].
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just curious as to where Indiana stands :eek: |
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ORIGINAL: mobowhuntr ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer We're coming on strong, I saw several last season that would have made the book, one in particular might have made B&C.... I'm looking to tag one and show him to you'all this year! ;) :D Mobow no worries, you need a differnet power;) Hey, I was just checking out pope and young website.......Did I miss it, or do they not break each state down on the site? Guess I'm gonna have to buy the book for that? |
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I couldn't have said it better myself, it really does seem like a crap shoot with hunters everywhere. The odds are so small you will be the only one hunting in a specific area. It reall is rediculous around here.
Shane ORIGINAL: Matt / PA The potential there is so tremendous that the ONLY thing holding the state back is it's sportsman. PA will never be the state most of us want simply because of the numbers involved and land breakdown. I hunt private land myself here in York Co. and I can't tell you the last bowhunt I had where I didn't encounter another bowhunter , pheasant hunter, dirt bike rider, dog walker, screaming kid, or any number of distractions. For many of us it's too many people trying to have their own slice of the pie and it happens very seldom. I can tell you on one small sensitive property I hunt, I watched 3 bucks last season that would EASILY, and I mean EASILY make book about every other night working a bean field. Watching the wind, glassing from a distance etc etc. and then one day they all just vanished, even the small bucks that I could count on night after night...........surprise surprise, 2 other hunters that I ran into a couple days before the season told me they walked the entire property a couple times the week before the opener, and hung stands all over (in all the wrong spots) and changed the patterns of those deer completely before I even got a single crack at them.:( Thats the other issue you run into here......if a landowner is kind enough to allow you to hunt chances are they are the "hate deer" type and they allow ANYONE who asks permission on to help take the deer and it becomes counterproductive. Unless it's a family farm or you are paying for an exclusive lease 9 times out of 10 there are multiple guys who consider that private farm "Their spot". It's hard to get your hopes up around here.........sure it happens now and then but man do the moon and stars and planets need to line up big time where I live. Look up how many resident bowhunters IL, KS, IA, and PA have........ |
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ORIGINAL: IL-Cornfed I love to see PA continuing to improve the quality of their hunting. The potential there is so tremendous that the ONLY thing holding the state back is it's sportsman. There can be no denying that it is one of the most beautiful states when it comes to exceptional habitat and awesome looking whitetail ground! I hope the state continues on course with it's production of trophy class bucks. I'm also excited by the number of folks on numerous forums who seemed so against any sort of antler restrictions and now to see many proudly endorsing QDM and showing restraint on ALL immature bucks. Best of luck to all the PA guys out there and kudos for your sacrifice and dedication. Maybe someday all the IL bowhunters will be wanting to book hunts in YOUR state ?!? ;):D Alright im sorry brother, but it dont work like that, I live and breath PA everyday, there is no deer in the central part, the Bonus tags, Extended seasons, Early archery late archery early muzzle loader, Rifle season flintlock season THERE IS NO DEER IN MY AREA if i see one do every 3 week, i cream my pants, i cant even tell you the last time ive seen any sort of wall hanger, you see A deer you loose your cookies, its not a good situation here. Im sorry there just is no deer in here. Ryan |
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MAtt,
You nailed that spot on. |
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Matt great post. Pretty much the same in MI also.
Great quotes from hunter in MS forum. "It's a shame but some people just can't see past Nov. 15th(gun opener)each year."- Big T "Unfortunately, older bucks really are harder to kill than young bucks. A lot harder. It can take several years for hunters that are used to harvesting the first buck they see to "learn" how to successfully hunt older bucks. I honestly spend more time trying to teach clients how to hunt the older bucks they are producing than I did teaching them how to produce older bucks." - Bryan Kinkel |
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Matt, said it right. There are some other nasty little truths that he didn't mention, such as the guys that will sneak onto property where you have exclusive right, or just go onto Posted property in general regardless of signs or repercussions. Heck, I was talking to a couple this weekend that told me they saw a guy in a treestand in Valley Forge National Park while mountain biking. Not all, but too many have a complete disregard for the laws.
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Matt, you can copy that entire post over for Lancaster County as well. I too have permission to hunt some private land that holds quality deer and we can pattern them each year. Problem is that theowners also give permission to 3 other hunters who just randomly hang stands around the property (one of which just happens to be 20 yards from my stand:eek:). One of the hunters also hunts MD and tags over 10 deer a year but still manages to squeeze into this 30 acres and try to shoot a few more. It really starts getting frustrating. A few years ago we had a 150 class buck running the property. Of course he was poached the last night of rifle season. We saw him in a field feeding right at dark on the last day. Ironically someone showed up with him the following day bragging about how he got him in the final hour of daylight. I know I posted this pick awhile back a day or two after this deer was shot but I just wanted to show what deer in Pa are capable of. This particular one was taken in Lancaster county near where I work.
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Matt and my other PA neighbors.
We don't have it any easier here in Ohio for bowhunting pressure, according to numbers we have it much worse. This is from Deer & Deer Huntings Hunters Alamanac. Pennsylvania has 267,600 bowhunters with 17 million wooded acres with 1.6 million deer. Ohio has 250,000 bowhunters with 7.5 million wooded acres with 650,000 deer. Just throwing the numbers out there..... Thanks go to Mobowhntr for providing me with these figures as I no longer have my almanac. |
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Pennsylvania has 267,600 bowhunters with 17 million wooded acres with 1.6 million deer. ;) PA has a lot of feast or famine.........many of those "wooded acres" have the lowest deer densities you could ever imagine. Where our hunting camp is located in western Clinton Co. It is claimed via thermal image fly overs that we have something like 7 deer per square mile. Thats what?, 660 some odd WOODED acres...........with 7 deer on them. We don't even use the cabin much anymore. Then you have the feast areas in the Western and SE counties where there are places where you can find 30 or more deer per square mile and you literally have trophy bucks eating from flower beds but you have to give your left kidney to hunt them in the suburban neighborhoods (if you're lucky.) Sure there are some good hunts to be had here, and I've had my share but TRUST ME this is one screwed up state when it comes to its deer and deer hunters. |
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TRUST ME this is one screwed up state when it comes to its deer and deer hunters. I never speak of deer hunting with any of them.... Their preception of deer and deer hunting doesn't mesh with mine. |
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