I hate reading stories like this...
06-19-2007 | 06:54 AM
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RE: I hate reading stories like this...
I applaud that, Dan. The only way to keep the supply "UP".....is to lower the demand. Jack the price up......and the demand goes down. I'd want it high enough to make it a deterrent. If people aren't bitching and complaining about it......it isn't high enough.
I'd say IL had it about right.
I'd say IL had it about right.
06-19-2007 | 06:55 AM
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RE: I hate reading stories like this...
Tony - don't think I'm not just as sore as everyone else about the decrease in available land to hunt and the increase in fees because I am. But is it really anyone's "fault".
Can I blame the developer who bought my hunting spot so he could subdivide it and build $500,000 homes? Not really. He's the fire that fuels our entire economy and the basis upon which our country was built.
Can I blame guys like Craig Neace for wanting to make a couple bucks and help guys who might never have a chance at killing anything bigger than a 100 inch deer come to a state like IL and live their dream? I'd like to think not.
Can I blame the Outdoor Channel, North American Whitetail magazine, and the B&C record book for showing people that IL has some monster bucks? No, not really.
The fact of the matter is that this is real life. Just because it's our passion and what we all live for doesn't make hunting exempt from the trends, rules, and laws of our overall economy. There's only so many big bucks and only so many spots to hunt, and everyone wants a piece of the same pie. It's no different than buying lakefront property somewhere. There's only so many miles of shoreline and everyone wants a piece. There's only so many mint condition 66 Mustang GT350s left in the world, and if you want one you're going to pay a lot more for it today than you would've 30 years ago. That's just the way the world works.
The thing that irks me about this entire post is that immediately you read Craig's post and want to jump on his back without ever having met or talked to the guy once in your life. As if he's some rich out-of-stater who came in and bought up all this land in your backyard and is selling high-fenced hunts for a million dollars per inch of antler.
Craig will be at the Hunt'n Camp on Saturday, so you'll have a chance to pick his brain, talk to him, hang out with him, and then you can let me know if you think he's ruined hunting in Illinois for everyone.
Can I blame the developer who bought my hunting spot so he could subdivide it and build $500,000 homes? Not really. He's the fire that fuels our entire economy and the basis upon which our country was built.
Can I blame guys like Craig Neace for wanting to make a couple bucks and help guys who might never have a chance at killing anything bigger than a 100 inch deer come to a state like IL and live their dream? I'd like to think not.
Can I blame the Outdoor Channel, North American Whitetail magazine, and the B&C record book for showing people that IL has some monster bucks? No, not really.
The fact of the matter is that this is real life. Just because it's our passion and what we all live for doesn't make hunting exempt from the trends, rules, and laws of our overall economy. There's only so many big bucks and only so many spots to hunt, and everyone wants a piece of the same pie. It's no different than buying lakefront property somewhere. There's only so many miles of shoreline and everyone wants a piece. There's only so many mint condition 66 Mustang GT350s left in the world, and if you want one you're going to pay a lot more for it today than you would've 30 years ago. That's just the way the world works.
The thing that irks me about this entire post is that immediately you read Craig's post and want to jump on his back without ever having met or talked to the guy once in your life. As if he's some rich out-of-stater who came in and bought up all this land in your backyard and is selling high-fenced hunts for a million dollars per inch of antler.
Craig will be at the Hunt'n Camp on Saturday, so you'll have a chance to pick his brain, talk to him, hang out with him, and then you can let me know if you think he's ruined hunting in Illinois for everyone.
06-19-2007 | 06:56 AM
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RE: I hate reading stories like this...
I guess if its like a channel you dont like you change it. Good Luck all!
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I applaud that, Dan. The only way to keep the supply "UP".....is to lower the demand. Jack the price up......and the demand goes down. I'd want it high enough to make it a deterrent. If people aren't bitching and complaining about it......it isn't high enough.
I'd say IL had it about right.
I applaud that, Dan. The only way to keep the supply "UP".....is to lower the demand. Jack the price up......and the demand goes down. I'd want it high enough to make it a deterrent. If people aren't bitching and complaining about it......it isn't high enough.
I'd say IL had it about right.
06-19-2007 | 06:57 AM
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RE: I hate reading stories like this...
ORIGINAL: PEAKRUT
As for prices these non resident fee's were up way before all this other crap went up.
As for prices these non resident fee's were up way before all this other crap went up.
06-19-2007 | 06:57 AM
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RE: I hate reading stories like this...
ORIGINAL: PEAKRUT
Doubled because?
Doubled because?
ORIGINAL: _Dan
I'm pushing hard to get the price of the NR fees DOUBLED in my area here in Canada. Did I mention that I'm a NR too?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Justin:
I didn't say anything was wrong with it. I don't think there is. If we had the deer IL has....I'd want the non-resident fees jacked up as a DETERRENT!
Justin:
I didn't say anything was wrong with it. I don't think there is. If we had the deer IL has....I'd want the non-resident fees jacked up as a DETERRENT!
I'm pushing hard to get the price of the NR fees DOUBLED in my area here in Canada. Did I mention that I'm a NR too?
Because of the explosion in the numbers of hunters. They are coming up and shooting any buck just to fill a tag. Pretty soon it will be just like WI and the buck/doe ratios will be completely messed up. I blieve it would reduce the numbers of hunters by 30%.
Flame on.
06-19-2007 | 06:59 AM
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RE: I hate reading stories like this...
Jumping on the story not once did I mention him.
With that being said I will move on. You all stick together anyways
With that being said I will move on. You all stick together anyways
ORIGINAL: HNIJustin
Tony - don't think I'm not just as sore as everyone else about the decrease in available land to hunt and the increase in fees because I am. But is it really anyone's "fault".
Can I blame the developer who bought my hunting spot so he could subdivide it and build $500,000 homes? Not really. He's the fire that fuels our entire economy and the basis upon which our country was built.
Can I blame guys like Craig Neace for wanting to make a couple bucks and help guys who might never have a chance at killing anything bigger than a 100 inch deer come to a state like IL and live their dream? I'd like to think not.
Can I blame the Outdoor Channel, North American Whitetail magazine, and the B&C record book for showing people that IL has some monster bucks? No, not really.
The fact of the matter is that this is real life. Just because it's our passion and what we all live for doesn't make hunting exempt from the trends, rules, and laws of our overall economy. There's only so many big bucks and only so many spots to hunt, and everyone wants a piece of the same pie. It's no different than buying lakefront property somewhere. There's only so many miles of shoreline and everyone wants a piece. There's only so many mint condition 66 Mustang GT350s left in the world, and if you want one you're going to pay a lot more for it today than you would've 30 years ago. That's just the way the world works.
The thing that irks me about this entire post is that immediately you read Craig's post and want to jump on his back without ever having met or talked to the guy once in your life. As if he's some rich out-of-stater who came in and bought up all this land in your backyard and is selling high-fenced hunts for a million dollars per inch of antler.
Craig will be at the Hunt'n Camp on Saturday, so you'll have a chance to pick his brain, talk to him, hang out with him, and then you can let me know if you think he's ruined hunting in Illinois for everyone.
Tony - don't think I'm not just as sore as everyone else about the decrease in available land to hunt and the increase in fees because I am. But is it really anyone's "fault".
Can I blame the developer who bought my hunting spot so he could subdivide it and build $500,000 homes? Not really. He's the fire that fuels our entire economy and the basis upon which our country was built.
Can I blame guys like Craig Neace for wanting to make a couple bucks and help guys who might never have a chance at killing anything bigger than a 100 inch deer come to a state like IL and live their dream? I'd like to think not.
Can I blame the Outdoor Channel, North American Whitetail magazine, and the B&C record book for showing people that IL has some monster bucks? No, not really.
The fact of the matter is that this is real life. Just because it's our passion and what we all live for doesn't make hunting exempt from the trends, rules, and laws of our overall economy. There's only so many big bucks and only so many spots to hunt, and everyone wants a piece of the same pie. It's no different than buying lakefront property somewhere. There's only so many miles of shoreline and everyone wants a piece. There's only so many mint condition 66 Mustang GT350s left in the world, and if you want one you're going to pay a lot more for it today than you would've 30 years ago. That's just the way the world works.
The thing that irks me about this entire post is that immediately you read Craig's post and want to jump on his back without ever having met or talked to the guy once in your life. As if he's some rich out-of-stater who came in and bought up all this land in your backyard and is selling high-fenced hunts for a million dollars per inch of antler.
Craig will be at the Hunt'n Camp on Saturday, so you'll have a chance to pick his brain, talk to him, hang out with him, and then you can let me know if you think he's ruined hunting in Illinois for everyone.
06-19-2007 | 07:01 AM
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RE: I hate reading stories like this...
ORIGINAL: PEAKRUT
You all stick together anyways
You all stick together anyways
And Dan - why are you concerned about messing up the buck/doe ratio in your area? Because of genuine concern for the health of the herd, or deterioration in your chances of seeing and shooting a trophy buck?
06-19-2007 | 07:02 AM
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RE: I hate reading stories like this...
Nobody's forcing anyone to pay the fees, last time I looked.
It would be more applicable to say.......if I can't afford HBO...I won't bitch about what others are paying for it. I'll watch my local channel and not sound like a whiner.
It would be more applicable to say.......if I can't afford HBO...I won't bitch about what others are paying for it. I'll watch my local channel and not sound like a whiner.
06-19-2007 | 07:02 AM
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RE: I hate reading stories like this...
I've said enough, I need to cool down
ORIGINAL: HNIJustin
Define "you all" for me.
And Dan - why are you concerned about messing up the buck/doe ratio in your area? Because of genuine concern for the health of the herd, or deterioration in your chances of seeing and shooting a trophy buck?
ORIGINAL: PEAKRUT
You all stick together anyways
You all stick together anyways
And Dan - why are you concerned about messing up the buck/doe ratio in your area? Because of genuine concern for the health of the herd, or deterioration in your chances of seeing and shooting a trophy buck?
06-19-2007 | 07:06 AM
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RE: I hate reading stories like this...
So your saying im a whiner?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Nobody's forcing anyone to pay the fees, last time I looked.
It would be more applicable to say.......if I can't afford HBO...I won't bitch about what others are paying for it. I'll watch my local channel and not sound like a whiner.
Nobody's forcing anyone to pay the fees, last time I looked.
It would be more applicable to say.......if I can't afford HBO...I won't bitch about what others are paying for it. I'll watch my local channel and not sound like a whiner.