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Several
And thats the part most people don't under stand every area is different. Proper timber management , good water & a constant food source are all needed to maintain deer .
Here in PA we have a huge state that has a server deer problem in the metro areas ,so the states answer to this city problem is to kill all the does in the state,or at least as many as hunters could find to kill.
Now we have areas with a non hunt able numbers of deer and the cities are still brimming with them.
Their management goals managed to piss off just about everyone.Metros are still over run and the woods are void. All because of a one size fits all system.
I refuse to fall victim to the "A good doe is a dead doe theory" Proper land management is far more important .
But the "I have to have a new bow "clan will tell you they can't afford to buy land to hunt .

RE: QDMA What don't you like
 

The thing that QDMA can do more of is to continue to work hard to get their message out there.I am a member of a young chapter and all the members bar none are people who are concerned about whitetail deer,and not just killing them or hoping to kill bigger deer.I see absolutely no downside to the implementation of a QDMA philosophy.Habitat first,the animal second,the hunter last.
The controversy always comes about hunters wanting to shoot larger bucks.,as if there is something wrong with that!Iguarantee that if many of the anti QDMA proponents were to hunt for a few seasons where either the natural aspects of an area created a more ideal herd balance,or in states where their management lead to better herd balance,their opinions would change!
The thing that Fran (Quicksilver) touched on is real though,access will tighten up to private land with the success of QDMA,in conjunction with implementation of QDMA there should be efforts made to ensure everyone who wishes to has plenty of area's to hunt.

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What you are describing is QDM to a tee;) Some think QDM is all about shooting does and it is not. In some cases it is a part of QDM, in some cases it is not.

No where does QDM state "A good doe is a dead doe" Which is kind of my point;)

I agree 100% there is not a 1 piece fits all to your state or mine:)

The book "Deer Wars" was about your state I would love to hear your views on it.

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Rob/PA lives in (duh) PA.....and he has to aply for a doe tag (he is issued one tag with his license, I "think"). How is this promoting shooting every doe?

I'm just trying to understand, really.

If I see 326 deer, from stand in one year.....and less than 50 of them are bucks....it likely says a lot of things:

1) it likely says that does are more likely to let themselves be seen
2) it likely says there are too many deer in the woods I hunt
3) it likely says I'm seeing a lot of the deer over and over again
but
4) it likely means I have WAY TOO MANY DOES

The key to keeping a species from reproducing is to make them infertile or to extinguish them. it's cheaper to extinguish them.....which, for our purposes, equates to hunting them.

You can't take YOUR circumstances and apply them to mine, either. It works both ways.

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GMMAT
yes doe tags are alloted based on units(which are too big)
For the VAST majority of the state, you get one doe tag. A few places get 2, then the suburbs get unlimited.

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Rybo is it just like MI in PA

Buy a doe permit for a unit it can only be used in that unit.
I buy a tag for DMU 52 I can only use it in DMU 52?

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Sounds to me like they're assessing the situation correctly, rybo.

Sounds to me like NC is, too. I can shoot ALL I CAN (Unlimited), as long as I do so on private lands. If there's arule like this in place......my thinking is...there's a darned good reason for it. For me....it's NEEDED.

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This is VA's answer...

No more than 3 bucks, but up to six doe. Chances are I'll fill five doe tags. Last tag will be held until dark the last day of the season, at which time I will enjoy a nice bowl of...

Bag Limits
East of the Blue Ridge (except on National Forest lands in Amherst, Bedford, and Nelson counties)
The bag limit for deer shall be two a day, six a license year. Of the six deer limit, no more than three may be antlered deer and at least three must be antlerless deer.
West of the Blue Ridge and on National Forest lands in Amherst, Bedford, and Nelson counties
The bag limit for deer shall be one a day and five a license year. Of the five deer limit, no more than two may be antlered deer and at least three must be antlerless deer.
[ul][*]Only one antlered deer may be taken during the early muzzleloading season per muzzleloader hunter.[*]If a hunter kills two antlered deer in Shenandoah County, at least one of the antlered deer must have at least 4 antler points, 1 inch or longer, on one side. [/ul]

RE: QDMA What don't you like
 

All you hear from the QDM side is the mantra "Mature Bucks, Mature Bucks, Mature Bucks, ohhhhhhhhhhmmm." They keep repeating it till their eyes glaze over and they Zen out. [8D]

What I don't like about QDM is, when you scrape away all the flowery prose and catch phrases and get down to the nitty gritty bottom line, it's all about trophy hunting. I think trophy hunting is our Achilles Heel when it comes to fighting off attacks from the anti's. Easiest place to attack us and the hardest thing for us to defend.

Really, when you look at harvest stats, the archery harvest is still a small percentage of the gun harvest. Except in isolated areas, bowhunters have very little effect on herd numbers or make up. QDM is something bowhunters don't much need to be concerned with. It certainly doesn't deserve all the attention it's been getting on THIS forum lately.

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Well, arthur....again....you can't make blanket statements.

If "I" don't manage the herd I hunt.....they'll be left un-checked. if I don't do it....nobody with a gun CAN. I'd think I'm not alone. If I gun hunted.....I couldn't hunt ANY of the places I do, now.