RE: QDMA What don't you like
 

Substitute "uneducated hunters" for "Predators", above.....and you'll see why were in the spot we're in in many areas.They also don't care about herd management.

Hell ......at least we can excuse the predatorsas being "opportunists". What do the uneducated hunters use for an excuse?

"I GOT 'A' BUCK":D

RE: QDMA What don't you like
 

Again well said HuntingBry

the point of this thread is to tells us what you do not like about QDM principles.

We have herd
1.Shoot to many does
2.Breeds hunters to become antler pumping zombies

Both of these points have nothing to do with QDM principles.
Which is my point;)

RE: QDMA What don't you like
 

I believe hunters were antler pumping zombies long before QDM came about. The thing is the payoff for QDM (big bucks)can satisfy the zombies. Hell, I'm a zombie, I like big bucks as much as the next guy, but I like deer more.

I live very close to Valley Forge National Park which is off limits to any type of hunting because it is federal property. The deer on that propery are skin and bones because the population is well beyond the carrying capacity and there is not any real tonnage of browse for them to eat. Their primary food source is grass and a small number of oaks. It is very sad to see deer in that condition (note I said deer, not bucks unable to reach their full potential).

Examples like this and the very small amount of knowledge I have on the subject make me fully support and QDM efforts even if there is a slant toward producing trophy bucks to keep hunters happy. Heck, that is even better for me, because it's good for the deer and feeds my zombie appetite.

MMMmmmmm, aaaannntttllleeerrrs!:D

RE: QDMA What don't you like
 

You forgot
It's not about the horns;)

What angers me is when hunters blame QDM for what is really bothering them. What that is I have no idea, I just know QDM is not the cause of anger some have. QDM is has become a scape goat for some. It's ok to say I do not like QDM because of these facts. It is not ok(IMO) to say QDM stinks because of feelings you have about other hunters, states DNR, etc.

If you do not like that is fine, no skin off my back, someone please pass the Antler kobobs:D Yes I like Antlers I am a Zombie:)

RE: QDMA What don't you like
 

I don't think QDM is a bad thing and I think the QDMA site is very good and very informative. What I don't like is thatsome information that often gets overlooked on their site is that QDM is not practical for everyone/everywhere and they even give a question and answer type format to see if it will likely work for you. It was originally designed for very large pieces of land. For some of us it's not really practicalbut that doesn'tmean that you can't put some QDM practices to work for you. However,they stress having realistic expectations based on yourpersonal situation, available land, landowner cooperation, etc.

One area of their site that is worth reading is:
Quality Deer Management: A Paradigm for the Future

(it is under the why QDM? section)

It stresses the organization of hunters andways that QDM practices will benefit us (hunters) in the years to come. There is also a section that describes many problems facing current herds based on traditionalmanagement tactics that were developed when deer herd populations wererelatively low. Those tactics were valid then but not so good for an established herd, as the herd/populationgrew some of the management tactics should have changed as well, some states are already changingand more will follow.

I am not a QDM die hard by any means but one thing I like about the QDMA is they are concerned with the future management of deer herds (on a large scale) and there is a lot of information to be learned from them that can help us as hunters (whether you are into QDM or not).

RE: QDMA What don't you like
 

Bump for my buddy..;).. in case someone missed it the last time through..I still have some popcorn left from tub 2.:D

RE: QDMA What don't you like
 

i think qdm is a great thing if you only take mature animals the antler size will be bigger on a mature buck then a not mature. just like there body wieght will be grater along with doe's. wich in turns means more meat. if you shoot all the first deer you see you will end up with an unbalanced deer herd. qdma is about a herd ratio of 1-1 is ideal. not the total amount, for what the land can support.

RE: QDMA What don't you like
 

It's actually 1 to 1.3.;)

From the QDMA site:

"We are told that deer populations should be similar in attributes to those that were managed by wolves, coyotes, mountain lions, and native Americans. A 1:1.3 sex ratio, bucks:does, is probably "natural," based on populations that are controlled primarily by natural predators today. There aren't many of these kinds of populations around but there are enough upon which to make educated guesses about the past. "

Another important tip from the QDMA:

"The benefits of QDM do not come without costs. Typically, large tracts of land are required to achieve maximum results. While defining a minimum size is difficult, 600-1,000 acres is a reasonable starting point in most areas. While QDM can be successful on smaller areas, cooperation with hunters on neighboring properties and unique management practices are required."

Anyone have 600-1000 acres I can borrow?

RE: QDMA What don't you like
 

No, NEW....but I'm talking all the time with the guys on the neighboring properties. What they tell me.....and what they DO....I have no comment on ;). I know one of them (120 acre lease) is trying to manage his part the right way. The other guy won't shoot does (or very few)....so we'll see how it goes. What I'm afraid is going to happen is.....I'm gonna whack a bunch of does....and the bucks might go over to his side during the rut.

I'll take that chance.

RE: QDMA What don't you like
 

New do you want all Hardwoods or a mixture of woods, ag, and swamp?;)