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txjourneyman 05-19-2007 06:42 PM

1st back tension shot = lost arrow
 
I went to a ASA qualifier 3-D shoot today with ausie-guy and another friend, Kyle. Ausie knew I was interested in a new release so he let me try his T.R.U. Ball Extreme back tension release. I should have tried on a hay bail first. 1st shot sailed well over the target and into the woods. That was the only shot I attempted with it. Ausie let me borrow it. Tomorrow at home,(I'm at work now), I'll try it from 5 yds at a hay bail. that was so different from what I'm used to. Kyle also gave me a release to try. A T.R.U. Ball caliper. He told me to keep it if I like it. So I'm swapping him a Jo-Jan fletcher for it. I think this may be more to my liking. I'm rather intimidated by the back tension.

Germ 05-19-2007 06:48 PM

RE: 1st back tension shot = lost arrow
 
Hey who won?

bkalbach 05-19-2007 07:10 PM

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at least you didnt give yourself a bloody nose

MichaelHunsucker 05-19-2007 07:15 PM

RE: 1st back tension shot = lost arrow
 
Yeah, im not a big fan of the back tenison mainly because i am hunting the majority of the time

txjourneyman 05-19-2007 07:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Germ

Hey who won?
Well the correct answer would be, We all won! we had a great time busting chops and shooting. But to get down to the truth of the matter, well, I beat Ausie by 10 points! Kyle smoked us both.


Disclaimer: to Ausie's credit he was shooting open class, I was shooting novice. My stakes were 30yd max. His were 45 yd max. This time it was 15 known yardage and 15 unknown and they didn't help me on the unknown. So I beat him but we're comparing apples and oranges. I shot a 272 out of a possible 360. This was my second 3-D and I feel pretty good about the results, and we did have fun!

mobow 05-20-2007 12:44 AM

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I was messin around w/ back tension last year myself. When I got it to work the way it is suppose to, it scared the CRAP outta me..But the arrow hit where I wanted it. So it went for a while, then I punched myself right in the eye.....That was the end of that.

Rickmur 05-20-2007 02:54 AM

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Whats the benifit of a back tension release?

tsoc 05-20-2007 04:30 AM

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As you have already experienced,a transition to a back tension style release needs to be done in close quarters until you have a comfort level with drawing,holding and executing your shots.There are manufacturers that make back tension releases with safety's so you can draw with out popping yourself in the face.Carter immediately comes to mind.
Sounds like you had a great time with some Hunting Net buddies!

early in 05-20-2007 08:54 AM

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Although I've never tried it, the back tention release soundslike it would be a bit awkward shooting down from a treestand with. I'll stick with my Hurricane.

Kanga 05-20-2007 09:00 AM

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Yeah we had a great time and yep Greg done me by 10 points.

I did get to see one of Greg's flyers:)on the practice range and thought to myself why in the heck did he short draw and release.

He came wandering up to us with a very dejected look on his face.:(

It worked out that his shoot almost ended before it started his loop broke[:@].

Now me being the nice guy that I am took his bow to the truck and replaced his loop ( we always carry a tool box filled with goodies for just an emergency;)) I could have said well tough luck there mate guess ya just gonna have to shoot fingers:):Dseeing you opted out of the recurve challange:D

So seeing Greg decided not to bring his recurve I decided to use my Commander:)

I tell ya what those 15 known distancetargets brought me undone[8D]the distance sheet they gave us was wrong I was dialing my scope in for their distance only to work out that I had to add around 2.5 yards to their distance[:@]

Kyle and I have decided from now on we are gonna judge the distance then look at their sheet and then shoot for the distance we judge, unless they have used a tape measure instead of a range finder to get the distance.

With a bit of luck Greg will be able to join us again next Saturday in Paris and just maybe this time he will step up and shoot from the same stake as we do instead of the kidie stakes 15 yards in front of us[8D]:);):D


Paul L Mohr 05-20-2007 09:28 AM

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Shooting a back tension release takes a fair amount practice. You don't just pick the thing up and shoot at a 3-D target with it for the first time. You might get lucky, but chances are you will do more harm than good in the long run. You need to do a lot of blind and blank bale practicing sometimes to get it down and be confident with it. Then practice aiming while using one.

Rick, the bennifit of using one is it is a surprise release. You don't trigger it, so you don't have to think about triggering it. All you do is concentrate on aiming and the shot just happens when you have it down.

I feel when most talk about messing up a shot during the shot they actually did it just before the shot, not during it. Like if you drop the bow or grab the grip anticipating the shot. This is easy to do with a triggered release because your mind knows when its going to happen. In almost all cases the bad thing will happen just before or while triggering the release, not during the shot.

With a back tensioned surprised release your mind doesn't know when the shot will happen, so it can't make you flinch, drop your arm or grab the bow. By the time it figures out what happened the arrow is long gone.

The down side is back tension releases can cause aiming target panicinstead. Like havingtrouble holding steady, or freezing above or below the target.Especially if you are having problems with it going off. This iswhy I feel lots of blind and blank bale practice is good before you start actually aiming with one. Even though you don't know when the shot will occur, you need to be confident it will happen in a reasonable amount of time.

Proper form and bow fit is pretty important with this type of a release as well. If your bow doesn't fit you well you will have all kinds of problems with a back tension release. At least that's what I have seen.

Paul

dick_cress 05-20-2007 12:09 PM

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My response has nothing to do with Back Tension . . . I tried it a couple years ago and did not do too well with it. Rather, my comment relates to 3-D shooting . . .not NFAA sanctionedshoots . . . but meat on the table shoots.

My partners and I do 3-D's regularly in the few months before hunting season. We take turns determining where to shoot from but never use or pay attention to any of the stakes or distances provided.

We each use our own experience to judge the distance then each of us takes one shot and one shot only. (on occasion something will go wrong with a shot and we are permitted to take a second but not counting shot). We score a 10 for a kill zone hit, 1 for a hit anywhere on the body. Obviously legs and misses score zero.

Once everyone has made his shot one of us will range the distance and occasionallywe will enter our distance estimate next to our score and the ranged distance.

We don't get high scores but it forces us to accepr the hunting field reality that usually all we get is one shot . . . so make it count.

txjourneyman 05-20-2007 12:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ausie-guy

maybe this time he will step up and shoot from the same stake as we do instead of the kidie stakes 15 yards in front of us[8D]:);):D

That my friends is the sound of sour grapes from a beaten man! :D:D:D

Kanga 05-20-2007 01:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: txjourneyman

That my friends is the sound of sour grapes from a beaten man! :D:D:D
No sour grapes here mate just a challange being thrown out,

Unless you want me to come join you on the kiddie stakes[8D];):):D

But that would be like taking candy from a baby:):D:D:D

Oh almost forgot hows the mouth??[8D][&:]:eek::D:D


Rickmur 05-20-2007 02:12 PM

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Thanks Paul for explaning. I think I will leave it alone, I have enough surprizes;).


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