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corygnc 05-16-2007 04:28 PM
Who really does own the deer?
 
Does the state?
Does the people of the US?

If the state does, what happens when a deer crosses a state line, does the other state then own that deer?
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early in 05-16-2007 04:43 PM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
Nobody, unless you have a tag in it's ear.:D:D

Matt / PA 05-16-2007 04:46 PM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
Yep, as soon as an animal leaves one state it becomes the management responsibility of the neighboring state. I believe all wildlife is owned collectively by their respective states and then a seperate state agency such as a "Fish and Game" agency is charged with protecting and managing as the state sees fit.
Here is a response I copied from "John S" a retired WCO of the PA Game Commision on this very topic:

As per Section 103 of the game code of PA:

"They are owned by the state, held in trust for all people of the Commonwealth and the PGC has been charged by law to manage and protect them for the common good. "

drhntr178 05-16-2007 05:10 PM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
If its not my deer as soon as I shoot/wound it, why is against the law to not attempt to recover your deer/turkey.etc.. If its still the states deer then let them worry about the carcass. I can shoot as many as I want, as I long as I dont tag it, right.[&:][8D]

KodiakArcher 05-16-2007 06:18 PM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
ORIGINAL: drhntr178

If its not my deer as soon as I shoot/wound it, why is against the law to not attempt to recover your deer/turkey.etc.. If its still the states deer then let them worry about the carcass. I can shoot as many as I want, as I long as I dont tag it, right.[&:][8D]
The issue after you shoot one or shoot at one is that the definition of "take" then kicks in and in most states that means if you hit the animal you have "taken" it and must punch your tag. It's not a question of whether or not you recover the animal.

As an example; Here in AK that definition of take is somewhat ambiguously worded and has some conflicting statutes regarding recovery of the animal and wanton waste regulations. If you kill the animal you have to recover it or you're guilty of wanton waste but if you don't recover it that day and you puch your tag (as you could interpret the definition of "take" to require you to do) and you come back to hunt that animal the next day you're guilty of hunting without a valid tag, and if that animal survives then your tag has been punched for that animal so couldn't you be in the woods trying to affix the punched tag to it? The logic runs round and round like a dog chasing its tail...

drhntr178 05-16-2007 07:08 PM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher

ORIGINAL: drhntr178

If its not my deer as soon as I shoot/wound it, why is against the law to not attempt to recover your deer/turkey.etc.. If its still the states deer then let them worry about the carcass. I can shoot as many as I want, as I long as I dont tag it, right.[&:][8D]
The issue after you shoot one or shoot at one is that the definition of "take" then kicks in and in most states that means if you hit the animal you have "taken" it and must punch your tag. It's not a question of whether or not you recover the animal.

As an example; Here in AK that definition of take is somewhat ambiguously worded and has some conflicting statutes regarding recovery of the animal and wanton waste regulations. If you kill the animal you have to recover it or you're guilty of wanton waste but if you don't recover it that day and you puch your tag (as you could interpret the definition of "take" to require you to do) and you come back to hunt that animal the next day you're guilty of hunting without a valid tag, and if that animal survives then your tag has been punched for that animal so couldn't you be in the woods trying to affix the punched tag to it? The logic runs round and round like a dog chasing its tail...
So there isnt a real clear answer as to when the deer is yours. I know here in MO and several other states Ive hunted that Ive never heard of being required to "punch" your tag once you shoot it but before you recover it.

dukemichaels 05-16-2007 07:27 PM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
Who could own a rock..
Who could own a tree..
Only the great spirits.

From the motion picture- Ernest Goes to Camp.

Tikka 30-06 05-16-2007 07:50 PM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
everybody knows chuck norris owns them all:D

gibblet 05-17-2007 06:00 AM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
god owns everything. the rest is just us playing make believe, albeit very convincingly w/ guns and such to back upsuch vain imaginations. its best just to play along unless the law requires you to do something immoral, then its our responsibility to stand up and get those things changed.

Champlain Islander 05-17-2007 08:52 AM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
In my state you don't own the deer until you kill it and properly tag it which is your responsibility to do as soon as you recover it. If caught gutting or dragging an untagged deer you will be cited for poaching. Wounding a deer does not constitute possession in this state. Finding a dead deer and tagging it is also against the law. If you decide you want possession you must go through a warden who has the option of giving it to you.

BOWHUNTERCOP 05-17-2007 08:56 AM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
Not sure if it is federal law or state by state law, but here in NJ all wildlife is owned by the state

Jim_IV 05-17-2007 09:25 AM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
ORIGINAL: Tikka 30-06

everybody knows chuck norris owns them all:D

HAHAHA but only after he roundhouse kicks them in the face

brucelanthier 05-17-2007 09:36 AM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
ORIGINAL: drhntr178

If its not my deer as soon as I shoot/wound it, why is against the law to not attempt to recover your deer/turkey.etc.. If its still the states deer then let them worry about the carcass. I can shoot as many as I want, as I long as I dont tag it, right.[&:][8D]
It Maryland it becomes your deer once you shoot it or wound it, before that it is the state's deer.

08.03.10.03
.03 Crippled Game.
Every game bird or game animal wounded by hunting and reduced to possession by the hunter shall be immediately killed.


08.03.04.03
.03 Tagging and Reporting Deer and Wild Turkey.
..................
4) Any person killing a deer or turkey shall:
(a) Attach a game field tag completed in ink to the head of the deer or leg of the turkey; and
(b) Record in ink the species, date, county of harvest, sex, and weapon class on the hunter's big game harvest record before removing the carcass from the place of the kill.
(5) The completed game field tag shall remain attached to the deer or turkey until the carcass is either:
(a) Processed by the hunter for consumption;
(b) Disposed of by a processing facility; or
(c) Left with a taxidermist.

Fieldmouse 05-17-2007 10:16 AM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier

ORIGINAL: drhntr178

If its not my deer as soon as I shoot/wound it, why is against the law to not attempt to recover your deer/turkey.etc.. If its still the states deer then let them worry about the carcass. I can shoot as many as I want, as I long as I dont tag it, right.[&:][8D]
It Maryland it becomes your deer once you shoot it or wound it, before that it is the state's deer.

08.03.10.03
.03 Crippled Game.
Every game bird or game animal wounded by hunting and reduced to possession by the hunter shall be immediately killed.


08.03.04.03
.03 Tagging and Reporting Deer and Wild Turkey.
..................
4) Any person killing a deer or turkey shall:
(a) Attach a game field tag completed in ink to the head of the deer or leg of the turkey; and
(b) Record in ink the species, date, county of harvest, sex, and weapon class on the hunter's big game harvest record before removing the carcass from the place of the kill.
(5) The completed game field tag shall remain attached to the deer or turkey until the carcass is either:
(a) Processed by the hunter for consumption;
(b) Disposed of by a processing facility; or
(c) Left with a taxidermist.
Sorry you must first reduce it to possession, before you own it in Md.

Sorry to break the news to everyone here on this board, but I own all the deer out there and I let you all hunt them via state regulations. I would apreciate it if you would finally start paying that small fee to me so I can maintain your sport.[8D]

brucelanthier 05-17-2007 10:18 AM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
ORIGINAL: Fieldmouse

Sorry you must first reduce it to possession, before you own it in Md.
You have reduced it to posession once you shoot it, either killing it or wounding it.

Fieldmouse 05-17-2007 10:26 AM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
Sorry Bruce but your wrong. Go back and reread it. It's a two part sentence there with the word "and". Wounding it is only half the battle. You must possess it.

brucelanthier 05-17-2007 10:38 AM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
ORIGINAL: Fieldmouse

Sorry Bruce but your wrong. Go back and reread it. It's a two part sentence there with the word "and". Wounding it is only half the battle. You must possess it.
Well then, I guess that would make the DNR officer I spoke to wrong also ;).

Germ 05-17-2007 10:41 AM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier

ORIGINAL: Fieldmouse

Sorry Bruce but your wrong. Go back and reread it. It's a two part sentence there with the word "and". Wounding it is only half the battle. You must possess it.
Well then, I guess that would make the DNR officer I spoke to wrong also ;).
Would not be the first time Bruce;)

brucelanthier 05-17-2007 10:47 AM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
ORIGINAL: Germ

Would not be the first time Bruce;)
True, but when he is called to determine the posession of the deer I do believe his word on the matter will be the last one unless, of course, someone wanted to go to court over a deer. Personally, if there were a dispute with another hunter then the rule of first blood should matter. If there was still a problem with the other hunter then I would just let him have it. If I follow all of our laws here I can take 36 deer each season. One deer is not going to get me in an uproar :D;).

EDIT: Actually more than 36. In some counties you can take unlimited does.

archer58 05-17-2007 02:08 PM
RE: Who really does own the deer?
 
[/quote] Personally, if there were a dispute with another hunter then the rule of first blood should matter.
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In the PA bowhunter ed. class they teach the first "mortal wound" will take possission of the deer.


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