a pin for shots less than 20 yards?
 

what are your opinions guys? Do you need apin for 20 and under? I shot my turkey this year at 6 yards and hardly aimed low, hit him right where i wanted...with the speeds of bows today, do you need a pin for 20 and under? Do you have one?

RE: a pin for shots less than 20 yards?
 

For most bows today,sight paralax will take care of the drop for you.And yes,all bows ,no matter the speed,drop,even at 20 yards.

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i don't think you need a pin for less than 20 yards

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Only way I'd shoot anything other than my 20....is if I was taking a 2-3 yd shot. We had a 3 yd shot in a 3D shoot, this past Winter.....and I shot my 50yd pin. Perfect......though...as a somewhat novice archer.....it had to be proven to me...lol. It makes total sense if you think about it, though.

The first time I atempted a shot like that.....I remember putting my 20yd pin on it....and then looking out the side of my view window of my sight. I KNEW it wasn't gonna work. I honestly just shot it where I thought it looked right.....and later confirmed it was a 50yd pin shot for ME at that distance (or lack thereof).

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Short answer to the question is NO. Speed's got nothing to do with it. I've never had a pin set for under 20 yards on any bow of mine, dating all the way back to the days of steel cables and wheel hangar brackets, when 210 fps was smokin'. :D

Actually, except for special tuning and testingpurposes,I quit using sights altogether about five years ago. Never used sights on myhunting bows anyway.

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under 20 yards it is not necessary i don't see much difference in the shot






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Anyone who uses pins should go out and practice enough to know which pin or where to hold their single pin on various distances and various scenarios.jmo.I'm not trying to argue or fight with anyone,i'm just saying get to know your gear!:)

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Anything less than 140yds.....I use my 200yd pin on.;)

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I notice that your bubble is off slightly--you may need to re-sight all those pins!

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It is bow and set up specific. Some bows you need a 10 and a 20, some just a 20. You would just have to shoot and see.

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I take a lot of under 20 yds shots, some even under 10, I set my pin such that for my tight in expected shots, I don't need to aim any differently, which actually ends up zeroing my 1st pin at about 18 yds.

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I have pins, but don't really use them for much other than left/right alignment. After you shoot a bow so many times, you know where the arrow is going.

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That is exactly why i did hold my pin as stated, "hardly" low. I knew that my bow hadhardly anydrop from shooting at 10 yards with my "twenty" yard pin. Just wanted to see if anyone had a pin for under 20 yards. Thanks KP

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I'm no expert but I agree with the know your own bow concept if the bow is tuned properly. For me, I only use one pin that I have sighted in dead on at 15-20 yards. Anything less in yardage, I aim a little lower. Anything higher in yardage, I aim a little higher (to my personally determined max of 25 yards.) I practice at many different close ranges to get the feel of what I'll need to do for a very close shot.

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is that spot hogg new 50 deadly pins lol:D

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Contrary to what someone said earlier, speed has alot to do with not needing a pin for close distance. With the added speed of todays bows the arc of the arrow isnt near as much as compared to bows of say twenty years ago. Take an old compound bow say a browning nomad shooting a 500 grain arrow. Im not sure of the exact speed but should be around about 180fps give or take. With that bow shooting at a 10 yard target with your 20 yard pin I garentee you will hit at least a few inches high. Now flash forward to the present. Take a Bowtech allegiance shooting a 350 grain arrow at 315fps, you can have a pin sighted dead on at 35 yards and there wont be but maybe an inch or two at the most difference in impact at ten yards using that pin.

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It's true you ARE clueless!!!!!!

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Hows that?

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passthru,the speed bow you just gave us will drop 7 inchesat 20 yards.;)


Sight paralax,along with the fact that the bow is pointed upward makes it SEEM it is shooting flat.


I have a feeling I am not done explaining this one.[8D]

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TFOX, I know it seems flatter than what it is because its aimed upwards. Regardless of what it may seem the newer faster bow still shoots a whole lot flatter than the old nomad does.

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I just did the ballistics for those to set ups, give or take. Your right TFOX, the bow shooting 315fps does drop 7 inches at 20 yards. That browning nomad I mentioned drops somwhere in the neiborhood of 22 inches. Just a tad bit of a differance there.

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Yes,there is a difference but at 20 yards,the 1 pin will still hit the vitals of a deer.

There is about a 2 1/2" difference at the highest point of the arc.



Assuming the peep height is the same.

Here is the kicker.To hit dead on at 15 feet with the fast bow,you need to aim as though it was 43 yards.At 25 feet,you need to aim as though it was 26 yards.

The slow bow at 15 feet,you need to aim as though it is 18 yards.At 25 feet you need to aim as though it is 11 yards.;)


At 15 feet.the slow bow will hit closer than the fast bow.:D


Sure,there is a miss difference of a little more with the slow bow,not denying that.It just gets blown out of proportion.


You need to aim high or low with either and the amount of difference is very small due to sight paralax.

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At 15 feet Ill believe that, but with the slower bow you almost need a seperate pin from the 10 to 20 yards. Like I said with the faster bow you can easialy use one pin out to 35 and hold dead on. That was the point I was making. I didnt relize we were talking about hitting something a few feet away. With any bow you should be able to hit within a couple of inches of the bullseye at 2 yards, and like you said TFOX thats in the vitals.

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You might want to read the title of the thread before you respond.[8D]

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Like I said, with the slower bow you would need a seperate pin for 10 yards. Thats unless you want to hit several inches high using you 20 yard pin. And as I stated earlier also, using the faster bow you can use one pin dialed in at 35 yards and hit within an inch or so at 10yards. I did read the title of the thread smart guy, I guess I was wrong when I asumed by less then 20 yards they ment 10yards.I didnt realize that so many people shoot that often at 3 yards, not to mention compare trajectories and differant bows at that distance. At three yards it really doesnt matter your speed like you said, hell you could use a sling shot and kill something at 3 yards. I was comparing the differance in trajectory between the two bows at 10 yards using a 20 yard pin. Hell at three yards there isnt much of a trajectory, the arrow is just starting to stabilize at that distance.

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my first pin dont move from 1 to 22 yds.after that i got a 30 yd pin.so if it in between i just raise or lower the pins.

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I bet you shoot a tad low at 1 yard with your 20 yard pin.

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i should have entitled the post "pins" for under twenty yards, since i meant anything less then a twenty yard shot (1 yard to 19 yards) thanks guys.

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Aloha All ,
I have to chime in on this one.I shoot a 2000 Martin dual cam , 65 pound draw weight, aluminum arrows, wraps with 100 grain broadheads. I need a 10 yard pin if I want to hit the heart of a pig . I have a two inch drop from 10 to 20 yards so I like the two pins, on the $$$$;)
A friend has a newer Reflex and carbon arrows. He needs no ten yard pin because his 20 and 10 yard groupimg are so close, less than an inch .
So I believe some bows do need a extra pin , or just aim hi .
Interesting question:)

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That is about right,I said the 200 fps bow would be 2 1/2" different at 10 yards than the fast bow.

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Not sure if this is hijacking, but I missed a deer at about 3 to 4 yards - just shaving hairs. I shoot a tech29 with about 240 - 250 fps and sighted ~1" high at 23 yards.

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vajsab, was the shot out of a treestand or on the ground.

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on the ground.