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atlasman 04-15-2007 09:33 AM

RE: Are hunters selfish??
 

ORIGINAL: LouisianaTomkat


This thread is not about Don's book................What's your point?
You are the one who inserted the above post into the thread. DE de DEE

LT
The picture LT...........the picture was shown in reference to the pedestal comment.

:eek:

LouisianaTomkat 04-15-2007 09:42 AM

RE: Are hunters selfish??
 
Well, maybe next time you should use your own Picture. After all, it is "Your" thread that matters.

LT

atlasman 04-15-2007 09:44 AM

RE: Are hunters selfish??
 

ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter

It is a shame when a car hits any animal and we as a hunter did not get to hunt it. The meat has gone to waste and it usually ends up rotting on the side of the road or the DOT picks it up and it ends up in a landfill.
We covered this a long time ago..........and it is agreed that the meat (if wasted) is a shame. However, in all honesty how many times do you see comments in threads like that about the meat?? Few, if any.........it's always the thought of a nice buck "wasted" because a hunter didn't kill it.........just interesting that many first thoughts go that way.



When a property owner gives me access and sole permission to hunt his land that is what he means, my family and I areto hunt it only. I can't be dragging all of my buddiesonto this private landbecause they have nowhere to hunt because they are too lazy to go out and beat on some doors or research the public lands. I will be kicked off of his land and rightfully so.
No one ever suggested breaking the landowners wishes. You are adding things in on your own there.



Even if it is my private family land, why have someother hunter in there too and risk the chance of him spooking a big boy out of the timber for good or worse yet, have him take a trophy when I am the one doing all of the work to pay for the land.Yes, I am selfish as a hunter in these repects.
Question answered...............and an interesting response..........you depend on the sharing of the landowner in situation #1 but then refuse to do the same when the tables are turned in situation #2.

Pretty much why I asked the question............we RELY on the generosity of others because I doubt there are many guys here that hunt ONLY land they own.............yet when it comes time to "pay it forward" so to speak......that is a whole other story.

atlasman 04-15-2007 09:45 AM

RE: Are hunters selfish??
 

ORIGINAL: LouisianaTomkat

Well, maybe next time you should use your own Picture. After all, it is "Your" thread that matters.

LT
Wasn't my comment.

GMMAT 04-15-2007 09:51 AM

RE: Are hunters selfish??
 
Not directed at you, Atlas....but to everyone as a whole....

I agree with Don.


Pretty much why I asked the question............we RELY on the generosity of others because I doubt their are many guys here that hunt ONLY land they own.............yet when it comes time to "pay it forward" so to speak......that is a whole other story.
WHY should "we" allow others to reap the benefits of "Our" hard work? I don't know about anyone else.....but "I" scout the land I'm going to hunt. I make sure I'm not intrusive to the herd.....I practice scent control.....and I'll be damned if I'm going to go through what I do .....just to set up someone who isn't as conscience about the same.

Again, though......if you hunt like "I" do (practice the same measure/hunt ethically/hunt legally/adhere to my harvest requests.....i.e. what I'm trying to make of the herd I'm hunting).....there's a good chance you can share my hunting grounds. I WILL NOT "charity" you a buck, though. Call me what you will. I won't do it.

atlasman 04-15-2007 10:00 AM

RE: Are hunters selfish??
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

WHY should "we" allow others to reap the benefits of "Our" hard work?
For the same reason you expect all the landowners you seek permission from to do so. You RELY on the generosity of other landowners to open up their land to you don't you?



I WILL NOT "charity" you a buck, though. Call me what you will. I won't do it.
I wish someone would show me where this was suggested.

GMMAT 04-15-2007 10:05 AM

RE: Are hunters selfish??
 
Fair question, Atlasman....


For the same reason you expect all the landowners you seek permission from to do so. You RELY on the generosity of other landowners to open up their land to you don't you?
I don't EVER "Expect" landowners to allow me permission to hunt their land. I put forth my best effort at gaining access to it.....and rely on their best judgement as to whether or not the "fit" will be one that falls into what they had intended their land to be used for......or how they'd like for their land to be treated.

INEVER "Expect" them to allow me to hunt. I ask for their blessing. BIG difference.

NEW61375 04-15-2007 10:09 AM

RE: Are hunters selfish??
 
I agreewith your above post(#65 I think)to a point GMMAT. If a person has some goodland to hunt and are not maximizing their oppurtunity then I feel in no way obligated to help them out. On the opposite side of that If someone I know doesn't have decent land or has hunted hard and been having a rough season I don't mind them hunting with me or helping them out. That applies to new hunters as well, young and old. If I take someone hunting I want them to be in good spots and have some encounters with deer and hopefully harvest one to get them hooked and help our sport/lifestyle/hobby/ tradition, whatever you want to call it. My good friend and newest hunting partner just completed his second deer season. His first season he killed a doe and a two weeks later his first buck hunting with me. This season he killed several deer and took a nice 7 pointer for his first blackpowder deer out of a piece of woods I have been hunting for several years. He is a quick study and already proving to be a skilled woodsman and great hunter and I am glad to say I might have had something to do with that and in that sense I think it ismy reponsibility and pleasureto help "some" hunters because in the end it helps us all even if it means helping them out with stands or places to hunt. Could I have been selfish and not really took him out there? Yeah probably, but I got a lot more enjoyment out of the way I did it, the "pay it forward"method, so to speak.

atlasman 04-15-2007 10:11 AM

RE: Are hunters selfish??
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

I don't EVER "Expect" landowners to allow me permission to hunt their land.
But you do RELY on it...........and when you get shot down it's a bummer right??


INEVER "Expect" them to allow me to hunt. I ask for their blessing. BIG difference.
What if they all said "No way am I gonna charity you a buck"........go get your own land.

bawanajim 04-15-2007 10:59 AM

RE: Are hunters selfish??
 
Something that I feel is missing here is hunting styles.
I don't post here ofter because I have so little in common with most of you.
I bow hunt on land I own only,and because it is mine I can use any stands I want and hunt them when and how I want. I have not shot a doe in twenty years and have no desire to ever shoot another.I don't have to kill to enjoy a hunt.
I shoot a ten year old Hoyt with a single pin set at 20 yards as feel no need to chance shooting further at a living deer.My arrows are tipped with razor sharp three blade thunderheads because I do not need to see for my self that anything mechanical can and will fail. A deer deserves better.
So many have lost what hunting is about to actually make me want to spend any time with them.And with the keyboard balls expressed in this forum any time spent around a campfire would end up in a free for all.
Yea I'm selfish!!!!!!!


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